Professionalism...is sometimes lacking.

jtrain609 said:
I don't doubt that somebody cranked it over in their turn, but as Aaron said, keeping it low and fast over the runway is hard to do in this airplane. Within a few feet of getting off the ground you're trimming down pretty quickly, and I don't think you could trim the thing fast enough to keep it 50' off the ground for 10,000' of runway, especially considering that with 10 people on board and with a full T/O you'll rotate within the first few thousand feet (flex takeoff settings aren't allowed at Chicago due to the crossing restriction). Also, you've got two options in this thing for rotation; slow which is usually pretty smooth, or quick, which rips the airplane off the ground when you do so.

But, relating to that, is the big altitude swap is the climb profile for Chicago. Climbing at Vfs or maybe 180 knots will seem like you're going straight up in this thing, but that's the climb profile in order to meet the crossing restrictions out of Chicago.

To tell you the truth this doesn't sound like a pilot flying the airplane, but instead the autopilot, the steep bank angles (though not 45 degrees) for short turns, the high pitch attitudes to capture a speed, all while doing it abruptly is exactly how the autopilot operates on this aircraft.
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Doesn't your autopilot do some sort of abrupt level off at ten if you aren't right at 250 too? Might be another airplane that does that.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Doesn't your autopilot do some sort of abrupt level off at ten if you aren't right at 250 too? Might be another airplane that does that.
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Not normally, but we're supposed to command VS 500 FPM at 10,000' in order to accelerate. If you keep it in FLC (which we climb in below 10,000') it'll do a smooth acceleration to climb speed.
 
I should also add, I'm assuming you were coming out of Chicago, not one of the other hubs. If you were coming out of one of the other hubs, then what I wrote doesn't exactly apply, Chicago is a different animal than the other places we fly out of.
 
So idle descents from 10,000 feet to a short approach (1/2 mile or less final) and landing it on the 1000 footers is a bad idea, since that's not what we'd do with pax on board?

I figured that was called...flying.
 
Couple notes of clarification:

1. This was not an ORD departure.
2. The takeoff was obviously performed in a non-standard manner, on purpose. The initial rotation was very slow, and I would estimate that the plane ran for a few seconds on the mains with the nose just a few degrees off the ground (actually I was impressed because there was no skittering on the mains, and the actual lift-off was undetectable). The climb rate after lift-off was almost non-existent.
3. The take-off was on a 7000+ plus runway, not 10,000'. I had landed on the 10,000 foot runway earlier in the afternoon. The amount of time actually spent accelerating while over the runway was on the order of only a few seconds.
4. The abrupt pull-up generated enough G's to get verbal "Oh's" and sharp inhalations from the other pax. The other pilot traveling with me looked at me and said "what the ...., does he think this is an empty flight or something?".
5. The initial sharp turn was hand flown. Subsequent turns throughout the whole flight, while a little more abrupt and maybe steeper than I would consider "smooth" were all consistent as far as roll and turn rates - those were probably autopilot.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
So idle descents from 10,000 feet to a short approach (1/2 mile or less final) and landing it on the 1000 footers is a bad idea, since that's not what we'd do with pax on board?

I figured that was called...flying.
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Heh, yeah. I dunno, I try to stay sharp, vary the types of landings that I do, the types of approaches, etc. etc. Flight idle descents are good practice, they keep the blood flowing, and help prevent burnout, just like all the other variety you can add. You can do all of this safely and smoothly if you're paying attention. Just because it's comfortable for the pax doesn't mean it's safe, and just because it's safe doesn't mean it's comfortable. Now, I don't know enough about the ERJ to comment on whether or not that's a legit technique - I imagine it's probably not, but I've seen some pretty doofy noise abatement procedures that require you launch yourself like a lunar missile.
 
mojo6911 said:
So you were in the back of the airplane and are complaining about their flying? Really?
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Nope. Wasn't complaining about their flying. They actually performed the maneuver pretty smoothly.

I'm just commenting on professionalism.
 
X-Forces said:
I can't say that there isn't some fun to be had on, well let's say a Mx flight or a repo, but with paxs in the back....No way.
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I knew a couple of guys who felt that it was ok to "have some fun" on a MX repo flight. Both of them are dead. Left a big smoking hole in the ground in Jefferson City. One of them left a pregnant wife behind.

This is a job, not a joy ride. Just do your job.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I knew a couple of guys who felt that it was ok to "have some fun" on a MX repo flight. Both of them are dead. Left a big smoking hole in the ground in Jefferson City. One of them left a pregnant wife behind.

This is a job, not a joy ride. Just do your job.
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Even if the fun is perfectly safe, I follow the golden rule:

1. It's not your jet!

:)
 
dasleben said:
Even if the fun is perfectly safe, I follow the golden rule:

1. It's not your jet!
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This. Absolutely.

(closely followed by golden rule #2. Your pilot certificate is the only thing that the company doesn't own. So why risk losing it, doing something dumb to "get the job done"?)
 
jhugz said:
I'm going to scare the hell out of some pax when I make the switch. At least I'll be able to recover from a stall though and not fly a profile to a smoking hole in the ground. This thread is awesome.
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Jhugz is your CTAF call " Clear out BItche$ Jhugz landing!"
 
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