Professional Pilot , Aviation , Aeronautics

I just want to bring up a point that no one really talks about when bashing an aviation degree or supporting one. Yeah most places do not care what type of degree it is. But if you go to a proper University with a well established Aviation Program there are benefits. If your true passion really is aviation, I don't think when the times get rough you should just give up and say well I'm gonna fall back on my non-related degree that for the past 10 years I have no experience in the field of. With that being said I will now voice why I think an Aviation degree does hold some weight. The first major point is the amount of connections a well established University can present you with. Most of my aviation related professors came from various backgrounds, PHD in Aviation Meteorology and an expert witness for many NTSB cases, Former Pilot from NETJETS, a military Veteran that flew F-84s and F-4s, A woman career Airline pilot that worked her way up the hard way, etc. Yeah you may be able to make these kind of connections on your own but at a University they are sitting there at your disposal day after day teaching your classes. The second major benefit of having an aviation degree vs. flight training and a different degree is, the amount of professional pilot courses offered. I don't know about most people on here but my end goal is to fly a a jet. If that isn't your goal then disregard, but I have spoken to so many pilots that I have had the pleasure to work with or met throughout my time as a pilot that haven't the first clue about how a jet engine works. Not to mention the complexity of the systems on a jet vs a light piston. I am grateful that I had the opportunity to complete "mock" ground courses on the B727 CRJ700 and Phenom 100. Not to mention sitting in a full motion 6 - axis 727 sim and a CRJ700 FTD, along with sitting co-pilot in the Phenom. Then there is an aspect that many people overlook, CRM. Whether you plan on flying part 91, 135, or 121 I believe that exceptional CRM is crucial to operating an efficient safe cockpit. I can't tell you how many courses I have taken talking about the proper use of CRM or accidents that happened as a result of poor CRM. Then there are the courses on Aviation Law, International Aviation, Business Aviation so on and so fourth. My point is that I believe that there are just as many benefits to having an Aviation Degree as there are to having a non-related degree. It just depends how you look at it. But my opinion is obviously biased so take it with a grain of salt but I believe given the state of the industry and the so called "shortage" of pilots, an aviation related degree can make your life a lot easier if you are looking for a career in aviation. I am greatly in debt but I wouldn't go back and change my choices if I had to do it over again.
Unfortunately, paragraph breaks are not included in the curriculum. :sarcasm:

I'd like to ask you what you currently do for a living and who for, as that is something more of an assessable outcome. We're trying to assess outcomes here, as near as I can tell. Education, of course, is not just about economic outcomes, but they certainly should play a role in people making career and academic decisions. There are the broader outcomes about well-rounded individuals, experiencing things that you would not otherwise experience, and so on—hence, the term "university."

Much of what you describe above is not without merit, but a lot of it is very difficult to assess and make a real decision upon. Pro pilot and systems courses, for instance—the company will teach you what you need to know in order to safely operate the airplane in normal and most conceivable abnormal situations. (I do wish I knew more about high altitude, high speed aerodynamics but that's irrelevant for my current job, and I'm sufficiently curious to carry around a copy of Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators and Fly The Wing) The same goes for CRM. Much of that, though, is about your own personality and how you work well with others. While a smorgasbord of concepts is certainly handy to draw from, I don't believe (given my current level of airline experience) that it is possible to adequately teach it in a classroom environment. It must be experienced. The particulars of the Boeing 727 (protect essential power, break in upstairs every afternoon) don't do me much good in my EMB-120, although concepts are certainly similar throughout the big-shiny-airpane world.

Unless and until you can convince me that an aviation degree makes you a measurably better pilot or provides you with measurably better career outcomes, relative to the rest of us great unwashed, I will continue to be skeptical. The staggering cost involved (and it is staggering today, compared to the other various methods of obtaining training that is roughly equal in the eyes of the FAA) makes it an economically dubious choice considering current industry conditions. I have many dear friends that went to ERAU or Purdue and the resulting careers are just as heterogeneous as us geeks with computer science degrees who happened to learn how to fly and now do that for a living instead.

Parenthetically, I certainly like having turbine-powered equipment, but I will fly whatever they put in front of me as long as I can get 4-day trips, Sunday-Wednesday with an early release on Day Four. (The point, of course, is that I'm in this because (1) I love to fly, (2) they pay me to do it and (3) I have a schedule and quality of life that works for me, irrespective of equipment type.) I do all that without flying a jet.

At age 18, Embry-Riddle or Purdue or wherever looks like where you want to go to fly. I understand that. I had the letter in my hand in those days. And for some people it does work quite well. But it is not a solution for everyone, and it is not a solution I'm going to recommend.
 
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Unless and until you can convince me that an aviation degree makes you a measurably better pilot or provides you with measurably better career outcomes, relative to the rest of us great unwashed, I will continue to be skeptical. The staggering cost involved (and it is staggering today, compared to the other various methods of obtaining training that is roughly equal in the eyes of the FAA) makes it an economically dubious choice considering current industry conditions. I have many dear friends that went to ERAU or Purdue and the resulting careers are just as heterogeneous as us geeks with computer science degrees who happened to learn how to fly and now do that for a living instead.

I dont disagree with you I just felt that someone needed to defend the choice to get an aviation degree. I wouldn't want someone to shy away from the choice to get an aviation degree based solely on the fact that everyone is alway saying it doesn't get you any further. Im not saying going to ERAU or Purdue will better prepare you for flying a bigger aircraft either. Just stating depending on the type of person it may make it easier. The assumption is based off of the fact I've heard horror stories of people washing out because they couldn't grasp the systems portion at Ameriflight or an airline because they've never seen something that complex.

As for me, well unfortunately I didn't get grandfathered in to Purdue's part 61 exemption from the FAA. I am currently flying an Aztec for an aerial imaging company. But to help me sleep at night I will keep telling myself the exposure I've already had to bigger shinier jets will make it easier when the time does come.
 
I dont disagree with you I just felt that someone needed to defend the choice to get an aviation degree. I wouldn't want someone to shy away from the choice to get an aviation degree based solely on the fact that everyone is alway saying it doesn't get you any further. Im not saying going to ERAU or Purdue will better prepare you for flying a bigger aircraft either. Just stating depending on the type of person it may make it easier. The assumption is based off of the fact I've heard horror stories of people washing out because they couldn't grasp the systems portion at Ameriflight or an airline because they've never seen something that complex.
Wow. How'd they pass their previous orals?
 
sorry guys for the long replay. First, Yes English is a second language for me :ooh:. Second, I have a scholarship ( only in the USA ) so, I don't think really much about the college fees :).

I posted this topic for you guys to help me to know the different between Professional Pilot study , Aviation study , and Aeronautics study ( Please ).and what is the best study to help me as a pilot career.

When I come back to read all the replays from you guys I got headache :ooh: most of the replies talking away from my topic( I must to read all the replies ).

Sorry for my bad english :P I hope you guys keep helping me.

best regards <3
 
sorry guys for the long replay. First, Yes English is a second language for me :ooh:. Second, I have a scholarship ( only in the USA ) so, I don't think really much about the college fees :).

This is the type of information people are looking for so that we can give you our advice and try to help. Knowing English is a second language and that you have a scholarship are two important pieces of information.
I posted this topic for you guys to help me to know the different between Professional Pilot study , Aviation study , and Aeronautics study ( Please ).and what is the best study to help me as a pilot career.
I might understand the question understand now - are these three different training curriculums within a same university, perhaps?
When I come back to read all the replays from you guys I got headache :ooh: most of the replies talking away from my topic( I must to read all the replies ).

Sorry for my bad english :p I hope you guys keep helping me.

best regards <3

Work your way through the responses :) It's actually the debate on the merit of an aviation degree versus a non-aviation degree. It will also help improve your English (which is good).

As for the difference between the three choices, I think there is no difference other than cost. Profesional Pilot might try and throw you in a useless CRJ simulator for $15,000. Aviation study might be more of the management side of aviation and aeronautics might be more theory or engineering. I suppose you should focus on what interests you by looking at various school's curriculum[/quote]
 
Learn a skill you can make money with from a chair. Learn a skill you can make money with only having one eye. (your kid pokes you with a sharp stick...) Learn a skill you can make money with while being deaf....Learn a skill you can make money with while dealing with a heart murmur...And finally, for those of you that still like to consume alcohol outside of your home, before your wife has gone to bed and don't have a mother-in-law that finds your beer, learn a skill that can obtain you a job regardless of a dui on your record...
Get my point?
God willing, I'll never need my 3 page long electronics resume. (I reserve my drinking to my couch, after my wife goes to bed, drinking from a supply hidden from my mother-in-law...)
 
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