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lcmxiii

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Hi all,

I'm new to the Jetcareers forums and very happy with my decision to become a member as I've found it to be an incredible source of information! Here is my first question: :D

What is the significance of "Privileges" under an airman's certificate information? For example, for someone who currently holds an Airline Transport Rating for AMEL has, right under it, "Private Privileges" for ASEL. I thought that one had to be a Private Pilot before obtaining anything else such as Instrument, Commercial, etc. An example would be:

Rating(s):
AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND

PRIVATE PRIVILEGES
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND

Thanks! Hopefully someone can clarify this for me.
 
lcmxiii said:
What is the significance of "Privileges" under an airman's certificate information? For example, for someone who currently holds an Airline Transport Rating for AMEL has, right under it, "Private Privileges" for ASEL. I thought that one had to be a Private Pilot before obtaining anything else such as Instrument, Commercial, etc. An example would be:
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It is possible to have an ATP multi-engine without ever having a PPL-ASEL (former military pilots, for example).

I have "Private Privleges, ASEL" on my certificate, I've never done an ASEL commercial ride...

It is because you can only hold one CERTIFICATE (private, comm, ATP), but can have privileges in other category and classes.
 
In that situation you can not act as an ATP in a single, but only in a multi. I got my commercial multi before getting my commercial single, so in that time period before I got the commercial single I could only have acted as a commercial pilot in a multi-engine airplane.
 
If you have taken all the tests for an ATP in multi engine airplanes, that is the level of pilot certificate that you hold.

However, you may not have taken all the tests for an ATP in single engine airplanes. So you might only hold private level privileges in SEL airplanes. Or helicopters, gliders, sea planes, ect.
 
In your example, the certificate holder once held a private pilot certificate with an airplane SEL rating. Then the person upgraded that certificate to a commerical and then ATP (in multiengine airplanes). Since he never took another test in a SEL airplane (and perhaps has never flown a SEL airplane since getting a PPL). Therefore, he retains SEL privileges at the private pilot certificate level.

My ATP says "Commercial Privileges" for ASEL because the last checkride I took in a SEL was at the commercial level.
 
germb747 said:
In your example, the certificate holder once held a private pilot certificate with an airplane SEL rating. Then the person upgraded that certificate to a commerical and then ATP (in multiengine airplanes). Since he never took another test in a SEL airplane (and perhaps has never flown a SEL airplane since getting a PPL). Therefore, he retains SEL privileges at the private pilot certificate level.
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I don't think we could say that for sure. Sure, it is possible, but it's also possible that the guy honestly did all of his training in a multi, and then came back and did a private single engine ride.
 
N18040 said:
In that situation you can not act as an ATP in a single, but only in a multi. I got my commercial multi before getting my commercial single, so in that time period before I got the commercial single I could only have acted as a commercial pilot in a multi-engine airplane.
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funny fact though, my ATP ride was done mostly single-engine, but since the dead one was attached to the plane, it was ATP-MEL :)
 
A guy in my flying club flew F-4s in the Air Force before moving onto to NWA where he flew the 74, DC-10 and A330. But he's not legally qualified to fly a 172 because he never earned a single engine rating of any kind.

He's getting ready to take his PPL checkride - will be one hell of a logbook check.
 
Murdoughnut said:
A guy in my flying club flew F-4s in the Air Force before moving onto to NWA where he flew the 74, DC-10 and A330. But he's not legally qualified to fly a 172 because he never earned a single engine rating of any kind.

He's getting ready to take his PPL checkride - will be one hell of a logbook check.
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Why not just do the single as an add-on to his commercial multi?
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
I don't think we could say that for sure. Sure, it is possible, but it's also possible that the guy honestly did all of his training in a multi, and then came back and did a private single engine ride.
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Is it even possible to take a checkride for a lower certificate level than what you already hold?
 
germb747 said:
Is it even possible to take a checkride for a lower certificate level than what you already hold?
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Yep. One of my CFI friends just took his checkride for private pilot helicopter. Granted, its jumping categories, but it goes for all of them.
 
Mike H said:
Why not just do the single as an add-on to his commercial multi?
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I think he really wanted to just become familiar with the PPL maneuvers for single engine - technically he needed very little in the way of instruction, but he spent a lot of time with our instructor anyways just since he was so accustomed to landing 3 stories above the runway.
 
PA44-LUV said:
Yep. One of my CFI friends just took his checkride for private pilot helicopter. Granted, its jumping categories, but it goes for all of them.
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I'm not sure what would be the purpose of getting a rating at the PPL level as opposed to the CPL. I want to get a glider rating, but I assume I'd just take the commercial test even though I'll probably never fly for hire in a glider. I just figure that if I do something dumb enough to bust the commercial test, it's probably dumb enough I would have failed the private test as well.
 
Takes less category time to qualify at the pvt level, and if you never intend to fly singles other than pvt,...?
 
germb747 said:
I'm not sure what would be the purpose of getting a rating at the PPL level as opposed to the CPL. I want to get a glider rating, but I assume I'd just take the commercial test even though I'll probably never fly for hire in a glider. I just figure that if I do something dumb enough to bust the commercial test, it's probably dumb enough I would have failed the private test as well.
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Find the right glider, and you could pull it off without taking a checkride. Sport pilot, could help you out, if you really want to save the money.
 
germb747 said:
Really? How does that work?
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You don't need a DPE for a Sport Pilot glider add-on, any CFI-Glider can give you the checkride.

For various other reasons, it is generally a better idea to do the commercial glider ride. It doesn't take that many more flights (or much more money), and would be the last ride you would ever need to take (other than CFI).

Since gliders are exempt from most of the Sightseeting/Commercial operator rules, a commercial ticket is a actually a fairly useful thing to have.
 
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