Presidential TFR's a real pain

SteveC

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Presidential TFR\'s a real pain

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AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin April 30, 2004
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A special notice to AOPA members in the Great Lakes area


==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==

FAA TO ESTABLISH TFRs FOR BUSH'S MULTI-STATE BUS TOUR
AOPA is sending this message to advise pilots in Indiana, Michigan, and
Ohio that the FAA has issued notams restricting flight for President
Bush's two-day Midwestern bus tour beginning Monday, May 3.
There are also press reports that the Bush campaign is planning
several more of these trips, possibly to Wisconsin and Iowa late
next week. AOPA is imploring pilots to exercise extreme caution.

"Protecting the President of the United States is absolutely vital. But
having said that, the security arrangements for this trip will tax the
FAA, perhaps beyond its breaking point," said AOPA President Phil
Boyer. "The agency is not set up to be able to make and distribute
these kind of short-notice, short-term changes that are so often part
of whistle stop-style campaign swings. And if the FAA can't get the
word out, then pilots are being put in a position where they can be
doing everything the way they're supposed to, yet still end up violating
regulations."

On Monday, Bush will begin the tour at 12:25 p.m. local in Niles,
Michigan, where there will be a 30-nautical-mile-radius temporary flight
restriction (TFR) and a 10-nm-radius general aviation no-fly zone that
will move along with the motorcade for the entire bus tour. The TFR over
Niles overlaps by 20 minutes with another 30-nm-radius TFR over
Kalamazoo that starts at 3:30 p.m. and ends at 5:50 p.m. local. Another
30-nm-radius TFR goes into effect over Troy from 8:10 p.m. on Monday
to 8:35 a.m. local on Tuesday.

Bush then heads to Ohio where there will be 30-nm-radius TFRs over
Dayton from 10:45 a.m. to 1:50 p.m. local; Lebanon from 1:50 p.m. to
7:45 p.m. local; and Cincinnati from 7:45 p.m. to 8:50 p.m. local on
Tuesday.

While auto traffic traveling the same roads at the same times of the
bus tour will apparently be unaffected, the impact on air traffic will
be severe. "TFRs that cover presidential motorcades are nothing new,"
said Melissa Bailey Rudinger, an AOPA vice president. "They predate
the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. This is different. Whereas the
old TFRs were 3 miles in radius, this is 10, and it's nine times higher."

The notams explaining the restrictions are complex. Neither the FAA's
own graphical TFR Web site nor AOPA's much more powerful Real-
time Flight Planner will be able to provide accurate, real-time depictions,
especially if the schedule changes unexpectedly. However, AOPA is
preparing and posting plain-language explanations on AOPA Online
along with the notams and graphics that should help pilots plan their
routes. See ( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html ).

Because TFR airspace frequently changes, AOPA strongly encourages
pilots to obtain a briefing and CHECK NOTAMS before every flight. TFR
violators will be intercepted and forced to land.

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Re: Presidential TFR\'s a real pain

So, are briefers at FSS going to have a real-time tracker of where the motorcade is EXACTLY? This is ridiculous. If they're really that concerned, send two F-16s to fly cover. It'd be a LOT easier for the FAA to handle. I just don't see how you could fly in any of those states comfortably for the time Bush is going to be on this bus tour. What if he decides to make an unscheduled campaign stop or swing into McDonald's?
 
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I believe I saw this somewhere else.
I think, it's a hoax/joke, but I'm not too sure.
 
Re: Presidential TFR\'s a real pain

Yeah, I found it in my AOPA ePilot this morning. If it's in there, it's pretty much real. Seriously though. What about pilots that are flying VFR without radio contact with approach, and suddenly the 30 nm squawk code ring moves over THEM. What do you do if a TFR flys through you instead of vice versa?
 
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I'm afraid it isn't a joke or hoax. Last summer, when Bush was in NYC, two airliners had to declare fuel emergencies due to the presidential TFR. I seriously wonder how long it will take for the government to understand how ludacris this is.
 
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But I thought the TFR didn't affect airliners?

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Most TFRs say that the following are exempt from the TFR:

REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL PASSENGER AND CARGO AIRCRAFT THAT MEET OR EXCEED THE TSA''S DOMESTIC SECURITY INSPECTION PROGRAM STANDARDS AND ARE ARRIVING INTO AND/OR DEPARTING FROM 14 CFR PART 139 AIRPORTS

Perhaps the fuel emergencies described above occurred because of additional holds/spacing required during approach/landing of AF1 rather than because of the TFR?
 
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They are exempt. Don't believe "urban legends" about fuel emergencies.
 
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I was flying over Florida a few months ago and my partner had 121.5 tuned and the volume up (like we're supposed too).

We heard what sounded like two or three intercepts that included such verbage as "Piper warrior at 2,000 ft., 20 east of XXX turn immediately OR YOU WILL BE FIRED UPON!

At one point they used an N number leading us to believe they were flying formation with the target.

Anyway the next day I read that GW had been stumping around Florida that day. Somebody is going to get flamed one of these days and then people will starting checking the notams, or at least finding out where George is that day!
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I'm fine with a reasonable level of protection for the President, but these are getting out of hand. How the hell do you know where he is at any given moment?

It's one thing to be told, he's going to be here, don't fly around there, but if you've got a moving TFR, you can't do that!

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I find it interesting that they're creating havoc for you pilots... but they're not going to do anything about the traffic surrounding the bus during his "trip".... there's more trouble there than there is in the air, by far!!
 
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I didn't get the AOPA warning about the TFRs until this morning. However, it has been common knowlege around the airport at BTL all week that the prez will be coming around (and w/ it a TFR), though I'm not sure where the info came from exactly.
 
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Up in here in Holland we have the Tulip Time festival starting this week and Bush has been invited. The White House apparently won't confirm anything (whether or not he will be coming) more than 70-some hours before hand. That, along with the TFRs near K-zoo, have made me skeptical about even getting in an airplane this week!
 
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Here's the rub. We need to know where GW is to know where the TFRs are, but the Secret Service doesn't want that info readily available. Something's gotta give at some point. AOPA has already gotten into it with the SS (heh, that's sorta funny in a sad way) over tracking the prez using the TFRs.
 
Re: Graphic of the Presidential TFR today. UGH

I would count the airports that will be shut down, but it would be too depressing....
 
Re: Graphic of the Presidential TFR today. UGH

I guess you are out of luck if you want to fly South to North, or vice versa. That is simply rediculous. A combat air patrol would provide more security, with less of an inconvenience for the whole state.

I can't wait until he is voted the hell out of office.

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I can't wait until he is voted the hell out of office.

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Me either, but do you really think thats going to solve the TFR problem?
 
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