meyers9163
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You'd hear even more who did such had 65 not stopped things the last five years........
PPL to Legacy in under 9 Years...
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WildcatPilot
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Sigh...first flight 13 years ago and still working off and on to get my CFI. No aviation debt, though.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Private in 2004, LCC in 2012, no legacies were hiring in 2012 (except limited hiring at US Airways). The big hiring in 2012 was at two LCCs, NK and VX.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
I hope this is the case. Freight should hopefully fit in somewhere.
turbomax97
What can brown do for you?
Sure hope so. Did my time in the left seat there. Currently at a 121 regional since that company nearly went ch.7 - QOL has been outstanding on this side of the house though - it's all relative!
I was getting sad about 8 years Private-CFI. Looking back I am kicking myself in the ass for not doing what I had to to do get done sooner, or flying the cheaper planes I had access to back then, but live and learn. No debt is huge though. I have a little from CFI training, but I can't imagine what things would be like if I borrowed a ton of money. Makes me shudder just thinking about it.
PositionAndHold
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Couldn't agree more. I messed around for a while, getting from point A to B via C, D, E, F etc. I got on at a regional at 31. There were guys who were captains that were in their mid 20’s. I was already wondering if I could stick it out in the 121 world for another 34 years, I can't imagine doing it for 40+. Turns out 121 was only in my life for just under 2 years and then back to corporate for me. I'd much rather take my chances at the part 91 rat race than the 121 rat race. Same race different rats.
Oh, and if any one thinks they are going to stay at the same 121 for the next 30-35 years, they're high. Maybe if you're on property now, but not guys that aren't there yet. Heck if you think any job in any career field is going to take care of you over that same time period, forget the 401k I've got bridges to sell you. We used to take care of each other, even the big wigs would do the right thing. There was a corporate morality that most companies used to abide by. Unwritten rules that say, if you take care of the employees the employees would take care of your business. Now it's all about making the share holders happy at the expense of employee morale. Instead of making 3 billion dollars, why not make 2 billion and make sure every one is happy? That's not to say employees aren't to blame either. Every one is out to get theirs, screw the company there's no way I'm going the extra mile! It's really a chicken or egg argument, who really "started it"?
Sorry for the rant, it's been a long day of moving.
Screaming_Emu
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Moral of this thread is balance. Hurrying to get that airline job without enjoying the ride sucks. Enjoying the ride, but not having career advancement and still living in your parents basement sucks.
You gotta find balance. Or better yet, make your happiness career independent.
You gotta find balance. Or better yet, make your happiness career independent.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Im at 3.5 years since my discovery flight and have been doing the regional thing for a little over a year and a half. I don't see why it shouldn't be possible for me to get to a major in the next 5.5 years. No designated fast track program for me, too much flying too quick though. I highly recommend enjoying the ride, wish I had a little more. I started flying when I was 21 and a junior in college so I was able to enjoy the college experience a little bit before, couldn't imagine going full bore into flying after high school.
Tommay85
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Seniority and expedient progress is great and all, but I'd say timing and what company you go to are just as important. I mean, I'm looking at my peers from UND that stayed on "the fast track". Getting hired as a CFI as a Junior, getting MEI shortly after that and having 1500/500 for flight time a year after graduation, ended up at pinnacle/mesaba and are going to be furloughed as low time FOs with no PIC time what-so-ever(relatively speaking). Seniority doesn't pay the bills when you don't have a job and it doesn't enhance your marketability either when furloughed at the wrong time. Most of these guys should have seen the poop show that was coming, especially at a company that notoriously over-hires, stayed at UND an extra year and gone somewhere else. Call me crazy, but I think Skywest, Compass, and Eagle are going to be next on the chopping block, but I digress.
BUT, I suppose you can make all the right moves and still get the shaft.
Me personally, I HAVE to fly a Metro single pilot before I do anything else. As silly as that sounds, it's one of those things I would regret not doing looking back, but my goals in life in general fit with that. Others want different things. Do I sometimes look at my 121 brethren with envy for their time off and having to deal with less crap, and being in a less risky environment though? Absolutely. 121 is not something I'm interested in at all for the "career stop" at the moment though, so this post is worthless.
BUT, I suppose you can make all the right moves and still get the shaft.
Me personally, I HAVE to fly a Metro single pilot before I do anything else. As silly as that sounds, it's one of those things I would regret not doing looking back, but my goals in life in general fit with that. Others want different things. Do I sometimes look at my 121 brethren with envy for their time off and having to deal with less crap, and being in a less risky environment though? Absolutely. 121 is not something I'm interested in at all for the "career stop" at the moment though, so this post is worthless.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Seniority and expedient progress is great and all, but I'd say timing and what company you go to are just as important. I mean, I'm looking at my peers from UND that stayed on "the fast track". Getting hired as a CFI as a Junior, getting MEI shortly after that and having 1500/500 for flight time a year after graduation, ended up at pinnacle/mesaba and are going to be furloughed as low time FOs with no PIC time what-so-ever(relatively speaking). Seniority doesn't pay the bills when you don't have a job and it doesn't enhance your marketability either when furloughed at the wrong time. Most of these guys should have seen the poop show that was coming, especially at a company that notoriously over-hires, stayed at UND an extra year and gone somewhere else. Call me crazy, but I think Skywest, Compass, and Eagle are going to be next on the chopping block, but I digress.
BUT, I suppose you can make all the right moves and still get the shaft.
Me personally, I HAVE to fly a Metro single pilot before I do anything else. As silly as that sounds, it's one of those things I would regret not doing looking back, but my goals in life in general fit with that. Others want different things. Do I sometimes look at my 121 brethren with envy for their time off and having to deal with less crap, and being in a less risky environment though? Absolutely. 121 is not something I'm interested in at all for the "career stop" at the moment though, so this post is worthless.
Why do you feel those 3 are next on the chopping block? Specifically CP?
Tommay85
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It's just speculation on my part and an opinion only, but looking at what Delta and United have always done to their good regionals in the past, I feel like they're both itching to do some whipsawing, particularly United. Compass just doesn't have any wiggle room to cut costs to stay competitive if they need to. Eagle is, well, Eagle!
This is straying off topic of the original thread and my original post was more to draw attention towards looking at one's next move with caution. I'm not trying to start a debate or anything. You're free to call me crazy.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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A friend of mine did PPL to United in just under 7 years. He was a checkairman at Pinnacle, so I'm sure that helped get him picked up quickly.
Tommay85
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The 90s...
SeanD
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PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
Went to Florida State University Fall 99
All part 61... PPL in July 99
Instrument June 00
Commercial/ME August 00
CFI/CFII/MEI August 01
Started CFIing Sept 11, 2001... what a day to start... Taught in PA28, C172, PA44, and some Citabria
Started getting used flying King Air 90/200, Navajos, and Saratogas as well.. flew either CFI or corporate typically 7 days a week... with a full college class load as well!
Graduated May 2003... crossed 1500 hours that month!
Hired by Pinnacle and started class Oct 2003 with 1800 hours and 400 multi-engine... flew my behind off and timed out at 1000 hours in 04.
Upgraded to CRJ captain April 2005.. flew 1000 hours a year.
Hired by Delta Feb 2007. Whew!
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
PPL Summer 09
Inst Winter 09
SE Commercial/ME Comm Spring 10
CFI/CFII Summer 10, Winter 10
ATP Fall 12
All done up to CFII at a small part 61 school and started teaching there the day after my checkride.
Flew there about 90 hours a month, while finishing my degree. I would work 7 days with 2 half days to attend my classes. Graduated with my bachelors in Dec 10. Flew a Navajo and 414/421 a little in that time too.
Hired at a regional in Spring 11 with just a little under 1000 hours
Hired at newest regional last summer