PPL ASEL Passed

desertdog71

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Ok, first I started my training on Feb. 21st, 2006 and had 43.9 hours at the time of the checkride. Weather Conditions were as follows. Temp 68 DP 50 Winds 160 at 17G26. I was instructed to meet the DE at KUKL Burlington, KS at Noon this afternoon. When I made the appointment he advised me to do a flightplan, and weights and balance for a trip to KUIN Quincy IL. I flew up and arrived early at about 1120am, I did my last minute weather updates to the flight plan, and relaxed before he arrived.

The DE arrived at noon, and we went over his expectations and guidelines. Told me to relax and just fly the plane the way I know how. Advised about if I wanted to stop during the flight, that I had 60 days to cover what was not finished, and also advised what happens if I were not to pass. He then checked my weights and balance figures, flight plan, logbook, and other documents. Asked about my Cross-country flights, and what controled tower airports I have flown into. We then went into my navigation on the flightplan he had me do, asked some questions about airspace, different things about the sectional. Military Routes, Obstruction Heights, Minimum Safe Altitudes etc.

He then asked some questions about documents needed in the aircraft. AROW. Asked some weather questions, mainly windshear, and instability. Asked about Carb and Induction Ice. Asked me to describe the electrical system in the aircraft, what to do if the altenator fails. Asked me if the plane had a fuel pump. Asked about what kind of flaps the plane had. What are flaps used for. He then filled out the remainder of my 8710 form.

We went out and did a pre-flight, climbed in and started up, did run up etc. I used the checklist and also instructed him on the use of seat belts and doors. Taxied onto 18 and did a normal takeoff. He asked me to follow the flight plan to KUIN I did for him. He asked about some tower heights, what is that town? What road is that? Then he says ok the weather is turning bad, we need to divert to KTOP, how do we get there. I tuned the VOR to TOP and he then put the hood on me, asked me to fly to KTOP. I tuned and turned to the proper radial. He then asked me to close my eyes and put my head down (Still with hood on) He had me turn right then left then right again. Then look up and recover. I was pretty much still maintaining altitude. He then took control and asked me to close my eyes and put my head down again. He then did some manuevers and told me to recover. No problem there.

We next moved onto some steep turns to the right and left. I did my clearing turns and explained that I was shallowing my bank due to descent then rolling back into it to complete the turn. Did those to PTS. He then asked me to do a Power On stall turning either left or right. I chose to go right. He was not happy with how I recovered from the stalls on 2 occasions. He then told me that he would like to see them done a certain way, and I demonstarted that for him. We then did a power off stall. After recovering, he then pulled the power to idle. I established best glide speed, selected a landing spot, and checked systems. He started questioning my decision on where to land, and started pointing out other places, like roads, and other fields. I told him I was the PIC, and I had a good spot selected, and any devision ay cause even greater problems. We descended to 500AGL and he had me recover and climb to 1000AGL.

We started heading back in the direction of the airport, and he asked me to do a Turn around a point. I picked an intersection and did the manuever while explaining my actions all the way around. That was fine. We then returned to the airport and entered downwind for 18, he asked for a regular landing, and I did that fine to a full stop. He then asked for a short field takeoff. No probelm there, back around the pattern and he asked for a soft-field landing. I pounded it in to hard, and didn't carry the nose very good on this one. He gave me some instruction on those and then we did a short field takeoff. Again no problem, he then asked for a Short Field landing. I told him I liked doing those, he said good. The 1000 foot mark on the runway is as far as I want you to go. I dropped it in over the 50 foot obstacle and touched down feather soft, and stopped in about 75 feet of roll. He said very nice job. We then did a regular takeoff, and he asked for a regular landing again in downwind. I was just about to pull carb heat and add 10 degrees of flaps, when he pulled the power to idle. I turned in right away, established best glide and setup for the power off landing. Dumped in the flaps, and touched down no problem.

That was it, he said let go finish some paperwork, "You are now a pilot"

I hope this is semi-helpful to some of you.
 
Were you on downwind when he pulled your engine? If so, thats a commercial maneuver called a power off 180. Weird they'd do that on a PPL ride.

Congrats.
 
I dont believe that a power off 180 is part of the PPL PTS. Its normally a commercial maneuver for CSEL. Good job on nailing the landing.
 
meritflyer said:
Were you on downwind when he pulled your engine? If so, thats a commercial maneuver called a power off 180. Weird they'd do that on a PPL ride.

Congrats.

Short Approach and power-off 180 are really two different animals. It sounds more like an emergency landing than a power-off 180. With the short approach, he can use as much of the rw he needs to land. With the power-off 180, you have a very small area where you can put it down. If you don't hit the spot, (within 200 feet of specified touchdown point.) you fail. Plain and Simple
 
JEP said:
Short Approach and power-off 180 are really two different animals. It sounds more like an emergency landing than a power-off 180. With the short approach, he can use as much of the rw he needs to land. With the power-off 180, you have a very small area where you can put it down. If you don't hit the spot, (within 200 feet of specified touchdown point.) you fail. Plain and Simple

I find them enjoyable. Not a power-off 180 as JEP has described. Just a simulated engine failure on downwind. Really no big deal. Of course I have practiced several of these, so it was nothing unexpected.

I had more trouble with the soft-field landing than anything else today. I dropped the nose too soon, it was not intentional but you know how that goes. The DE also didn't like my approach speeds. He said I was too fast. I kinda argued the point that 80-85mph is appropriate for that plane, and then pulled it back to 70 as he suggested and listened to the stall horn for a while..:)

Not wise to argue with the DE, I am sure. I just can't see doing an approach THAT SLOW in THAT PLANE. Espescially in gusty winds. I realize that I don't know my ass from my elbow yet, but I do know how that plane flies. Our other 172, its no problem to fly at that speed. But its newer and has the curved wingtips. It will float for ever.
 
well done!!!!! your checkride sounds easier than any one i have ever taken here :( my PPL was very long and grueling the oral was over 2 hours i think, and i knew the majority of the stuff, it just went on and on and on
 
He started questioning my decision on where to land, and started pointing out other places, like roads, and other fields. I told him I was the PIC, and I had a good spot selected, and any devision ay cause even greater problems.

After you gave him the PIC spiel, what did he say to that? Was that what he wanted you to do? Just curious...
 
He actually didn't say much at all. He just said ok, and we proceeded towards the field I selected, then he had me recover once it was certain I was going to make the landing spot. I hope that is what he weanted to hear, because he told me that I was PIC for the flight and to conduct it accordingly.
 
Congratulations.

A lot of times DE's will do stuff that's not in the PTS just to see how good you are, or maybe just for fun. I remember on my instrument ride when I reached the DH, the DE told me to keep the foggles on and keep it coming down. He talked me down into a zero-zero landing. Luckily I had done one of these once before (just for fun) so I wasnt scared out of my mind. Obviously, he couldn't bust me on this, but I think he just enjoys having applicants do something new.
 
Great job! I really wish that when someone stands up to a DE like you did saying that you were the PIC that they would recognize that and give you praise for your commandability of the aircraft. That should be one of the main things they are looking for on the checkride. It would just be nice if when you landed he said "hey, way to go asserting your PIC authority... that takes balls." I don't know how many times in the Flight Instructor Handbook it mentions the importance of giving praise (and I know the DE isn't instructing), but it mentions it quite a bit.

Anywho, welcome to pilot-hood!

EDIT: Oh, and awesome job doing it in just over 40 hours and in just over a month! You must have worked your ass off!
 
I've now got the **** scared out of me...been doing part 61, working two jobs to come up with cash for flight time and not studying enough until recently...I can fly the plane fine, but I'm scared to death of the oral.

Just last week I was taught on the use of a VOR on my crosscountry flight.

The only lesson I feel I've learned well through this experience is to save money first, and study your ass off before you get in the plane.
 
I wouldn't worry too much. It's not as bad as it sounds. The only question the DE asked me was the procedures for a "Go Around". The other hour and a half was him going over logbooks, documents and he was teaching me and explaining things as if he were my CFI. I did prepare and he saw that. Make a good impression on him and the ride should go fine.
 
lineguy said:
I wouldn't worry too much. It's not as bad as it sounds. The only question the DE asked me was the procedures for a "Go Around". The other hour and a half was him going over logbooks, documents and he was teaching me and explaining things as if he were my CFI. I did prepare and he saw that. Make a good impression on him and the ride should go fine.

I read this kinda stuff and I get nervous, but luckily I have a great flight instructor who is available on the phone just about any time without charging me...I talked with him and he said the same thing.

Every time I get worried about something though I can give him a call and he'll have me feeling better about it in no time. :)
 
yeah im takeing mine in about 2 weeks and im scared to death now. I knew i would be nervous but now im beyond nervous. Thanks for the info though
 
IF you can handle your business you have nothing to worry about. If you cannot, well then thats another story. Its way easier than you think. Just relax and do things like you have been taught.
 
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