Please Please Please...............
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hattrick
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i called a go-around today on a student because he came in gear up. the guy is just getting into a 172RG for his commercial training and fifteen minutes earlier i had stressed the importance of a checklist so that he wouldnt forget things. especially the gear. anyway i made my point. and i doubt hell do it again.
EatSleepFly
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I think all towers should do it. Civilian and otherwise. It really can't hurt, and it's only three extra words.
mrivc211
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iowapilot said:I dunno man. All I have to say is that takes serious balls to come here and tell us about it! I suppose the rest of the story will come out soon. Hopefully. Consider it a learning experience for the rest of us.
Well if you don't know then shut your pie hole. There is no rest of the story. This is the f'ing problem with you people. This site wasn't created so that people should keep secrets. How many damn times have I said not to poke at people who make mistakes. LEARN FROM THEM. STOP CRITISIZING THEM.
Balls? TO do what? To say something safety related on an aviation website designed for people to learn from others?
Look, I know I'm coming off REAL harsh, and I know you mean nothing by it, but.................nevermind. Too stressed.
No one said it was me. It could have been my student, another CFI, etc etc. You people all jump to conclusions and thats what gets me going sometimes.
aloft
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Omar...dude...chill! You clearly misread the tone of his post, he wasn't busting your balls at all!
If you're going to bait us like you did with your first post then deny us the rest of the story, expecting anything other than idle speculation from the masses is more than a little ridiculous on your part!
If you're going to bait us like you did with your first post then deny us the rest of the story, expecting anything other than idle speculation from the masses is more than a little ridiculous on your part!
Sorry to hear this happened.
It would be more helpful for others if, when able, someone involved in the incident could elaborate a little more on what happened and why. It doesn't do us much good to just hear "always put your gear down". We all know that! It is very helpful to give examples of what distracts pilots and causes them to miss things like gear extension. The really helpful post-incident analysis is the one that walks the reader through what happened in such detail that we can picture ourselves making the same decisions at each step of the way. People need to know how the chain of events develops, and what the pilot was thinking at each step, to best understand what can go wrong for us. Hopefully when we get into a similar situation a little bell will go off in the back of our heads and a tiny voice will say "warning Will Robinson, warning!".
Let me say again that we're sorry to hear about this.
It would be more helpful for others if, when able, someone involved in the incident could elaborate a little more on what happened and why. It doesn't do us much good to just hear "always put your gear down". We all know that! It is very helpful to give examples of what distracts pilots and causes them to miss things like gear extension. The really helpful post-incident analysis is the one that walks the reader through what happened in such detail that we can picture ourselves making the same decisions at each step of the way. People need to know how the chain of events develops, and what the pilot was thinking at each step, to best understand what can go wrong for us. Hopefully when we get into a similar situation a little bell will go off in the back of our heads and a tiny voice will say "warning Will Robinson, warning!".
Let me say again that we're sorry to hear about this.
DE727UPS
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Wheels
I was once doing a visual into 13R at BFI in a 727 on a really nice day. We were distracted looking for quite a few little airplanes and had set the flaps at a setting where we could slow to 140K. Normally, at that flap setting and speed, the gear is already down. So, we had been motoring along at 140K for a long time and finally we were on final where it was time for landing flaps. I called for flaps 30 and the F/E (an over age 60 retread) says "you do that and it's gonna get really loud in here". Meaning, the really loud gear horn is gonna go off at flaps 30 with the gear up. The Capt just kinda laughed and said "you need to put the gear down".
Anyhow, moral of the story. I was distracted during a non-standard approach situation and just missed the gear. Would have been saved by the horn and by the two other crewmembers. Lacking those two things, it's possible I would have missed putting the gear down at all, since it was already down in my mind.
I was once doing a visual into 13R at BFI in a 727 on a really nice day. We were distracted looking for quite a few little airplanes and had set the flaps at a setting where we could slow to 140K. Normally, at that flap setting and speed, the gear is already down. So, we had been motoring along at 140K for a long time and finally we were on final where it was time for landing flaps. I called for flaps 30 and the F/E (an over age 60 retread) says "you do that and it's gonna get really loud in here". Meaning, the really loud gear horn is gonna go off at flaps 30 with the gear up. The Capt just kinda laughed and said "you need to put the gear down".
Anyhow, moral of the story. I was distracted during a non-standard approach situation and just missed the gear. Would have been saved by the horn and by the two other crewmembers. Lacking those two things, it's possible I would have missed putting the gear down at all, since it was already down in my mind.
triplec76
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I've flown off the handle many times about something that meant a lot less than what I thought it meant when I first read it. I just assumed it really was you when you changed your avatar last night to the kid sitting in the corner and accompanying text.
mrivc211 said:
I think the moral of the story that rotten things can happen to great people every day for any variety of reasons.
It doesn't mean that you good or bad, evil or saintly, it just means that whenever you're dealing with a hunk of metal that will grease a perfect landing on one leg, and then unapologetically crumble you in a mass of twisted aluminum, canvas and burning 100LL, that you've got to be EXTRA vigilant.
If you're a 10 hour pre-solo pilot or even a 18,000 senior 777 captain with oodles of experience on the other end of the spectrum.
It doesn't mean that you good or bad, evil or saintly, it just means that whenever you're dealing with a hunk of metal that will grease a perfect landing on one leg, and then unapologetically crumble you in a mass of twisted aluminum, canvas and burning 100LL, that you've got to be EXTRA vigilant.
If you're a 10 hour pre-solo pilot or even a 18,000 senior 777 captain with oodles of experience on the other end of the spectrum.
bob loblaw
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hattrick said:
I have always said that flying a retractable geared version of a similar airframe can easily bite you in the butt. I have close to sixty hours in a Beech Sundowner and another sixty in its look-a-like brother the Beech Sierra. If you aren't carefull and you don't use the checklist, atleast ask yourself which plane am I flying. I say this because I know that everyone always uses the checklist. Asking yourself that question can help you remember to make sure the gear is where it is supposed to be and keep you from beating the shortfield numbers in the book by a thousand feet.
I have a new saying for this event. If you slip and slide, it's gonna cost a lot to rebuild your pride, and a whole bunch more to rebuild your ride.