Please monitor guard whenever you are able.

Yikes. Helluva way to go, cruising around not talking to anybody.

I get nervous around DFW when I don't hear anybody on approach after about 30 seconds. Why didn't their feelers go up when their headsets went quiet?
 
Ah yes, the military shoots down a civilian aircraft full of people that's simply flying along FD&H...that goes over well in the news. :P
 
Controller: Peidmont 123, Contact Approach on 123.45
Peidmont 123: Approach, on 123.55, g'day
Controller: Wait no!

That could really suck. Total accident and they could have been "splashed," sketchy...
 
dasleben said:
Ah yes, the military shoots down a civilian aircraft full of people that's simply flying along FD&H...that goes over well in the news. :P
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Don't underestimate the overzealous idiots at NCRCC they go overboard with every little mistake by any pilot. They were trying to get ATC to file a PD on them for entering the SFRA without talking to a controller and being cleared there, the whole "airport clearance" thing had to be explained to them and even then they were fighting it.
 
More evidence that we long ago lost the 'war on terror'. Wonder how long these guys were actually off freq? ACARS much?
 
bike21 said:
More evidence that we long ago lost the 'war on terror'. Wonder how long these guys were actually off freq? ACARS much?
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It was quite a bit, 15+ mins at least, I think it was longer, which is an eternity in a terminal environment and when your headed straight for the most paranoidly protected airspace on earth.


All I have to say is thank god this didn't happen with the POTUS in town or Congress in session.
 
geez. This sucks for the crew.

Edit: 15+ mins of no radio contact while approaching D.C. is kinda ridiculous, especially if you are not rocking one of these
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Maybe they do.
 
From the comments section of the above article;

"I don't quite understand how it could have taken 15 minutes to clear this up (my "knowledge" stems from over 5000 hours of MS Flight Simulator and reading some textbooks, i once wanted to obtain a PPL). When you change frequency you are required to make contact with the ground immediatly. So you say something like "Washington Approach, this in N-9999, i have Charly, requesting full stop at Ronald Reagan, please advise runway and vectors for ILS".

Just......wow.
 
Stomp16 said:
From the comments section of the above article;

"I don't quite understand how it could have taken 15 minutes to clear this up (my "knowledge" stems from over 5000 hours of MS Flight Simulator and reading some textbooks, i once wanted to obtain a PPL). When you change frequency you are required to make contact with the ground immediatly. So you say something like "Washington Approach, this in N-9999, i have Charly, requesting full stop at Ronald Reagan, please advise runway and vectors for ILS".

Just......wow.
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Awesome!

Apparently flight sim does a poor job of teaching what information is typically in ATIS...such as the landing runway.
 
Stomp16 said:
From the comments section of the above article;

"I don't quite understand how it could have taken 15 minutes to clear this up (my "knowledge" stems from over 5000 hours of MS Flight Simulator and reading some textbooks, i once wanted to obtain a PPL). When you change frequency you are required to make contact with the ground immediatly. So you say something like "Washington Approach, this in N-9999, i have Charly, requesting full stop at Ronald Reagan, please advise runway and vectors for ILS".

Just......wow.
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The point here was that the crew should have known that there was an issue if they had tried to make contact on the new frequency. Of course it's hard to see through the paste-eating 5,000 hour comment.....

My guess that we'll find there were a lot of radio calls trying to get them back where they belonged - I'm sure they weren't sitting with silent headphones. O.K., I HOPE they weren't sitting there for 15+minutes in silence.
 
I'm sorry, but I can't pass up some of the comments. This one is GREAT!

I don't quite understand how it could have taken 15 minutes to clear this up (my "knowledge" stems from over 5000 hours of MS Flight Simulator and reading some textbooks, i once wanted to obtain a PPL). When you change frequency you are required to make contact with the ground immediatly. So you say something like "Washington Approach, this in N-9999, i have Charly, requesting full stop at Ronald Reagan, please advise runway and vectors for ILS".
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I almost want to make an account just to laugh at him. He must still be flying FS2002. What a n00b.

EDIT: I see now it was already quoted...but hey, why not laugh at him twice?
 
ppragman said:
Controller: Peidmont 123, Contact Approach on 123.45
Peidmont 123: Approach, on 123.55, g'day
Controller: Wait no!

That could really suck. Total accident and they could have been "splashed," sketchy...
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Two problems there. First, a lot of the guys immediately flip the switch after speaking so they never hear a controller telling them they got it wrong. These also tend to be the guys who start talking on the new freq as soon as they flip over, not bother to see if there is already a conversation going on. Secondly, a lot of controllers don't catch a read back error, especially on a busy frequency.

That said, if they due get a bad frequency and didn't get a response for 15 minutes, especially in a terminal environment, they probably should have known something was wrong. Who knows though, maybe they had an equipment issue. No reason to hang the crew out to dry just yet.

bike21 said:
ACARS much?
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No ACARS on the Dashes.
 
Dunno how Piedmont operates, but we have to keep ops or SELCAL in our Com 2 so the company can get a hold of us. Monitoring guard is impossible for our operation with the way we're currently running it.
 
I guess the company makes an exception for DCA when it comes to selcal. The DCA -7 pages say that XJT is required to monitor 121.5 below FL180. On the flights from EWR the cruising altitude is usually 16,000 anyway, so I just make sure 121.5 is up no later than the top of descent. There is a short novel on DCA guidance in the -7's due to XJT's past transgressions. I've only been there maybe 5 or 6 time total, but it seemingly never fails that a "YER ON GUARRDDDDDD" exchange happens on com 2 right when I'm getting the approach clearance on com 1. I also probably left a small crater on runway 1 last time I landed there, it was brutal.
 
boondr said:
the most paranoidly protected airspace on earth.


All I have to say is thank god this didn't happen with the POTUS in town or Congress in session.
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No kidding. I used to instruct out of FME. I never understood why there was no flight restriction over that place. Yet when President Bush came there for a day there was a TFR.

My other favorite joke of a TFR was the one over Dick Cheneys place in St Michaels. Was something like a mile wide and 500ft high
 
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