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Enthusiast78

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Dear FSA students,

I live in South Korea(NOT NORTH). I am thinking to enroll the FSA to be a professional pilot of Asiana air, But it is not easy to get the cost outline. As writen on the international student page, I emailed FSA for cost but I haven't gotten anything until now.


What do you think of FSA as the aeronautics academy? I've known FSA is the best across the globe on the field of it. I want to learn the best qualified flight skill. For that, first of all, I think that I have to attend the best academy. FSA is the best academy, isn't it? (Certainly, after attending, I will do my utmost.)


Are there a lot of Korean student there? As you know, to become a pilot to speak in English is the most important. If there are many Korean, I won't improve my English conversation skill.


If there are students of FSA here, Please let me know in detail. I really appreciate for your kindness in advance.


PS. Despite of a little tip about FSA, I will thank you.
 
there are a lot of really good flight schools over here. FSA is from what i've heard a good flight school but there are no "best" schools out there besides what is told/shown via marketing.. which is just that, marketing.

you don't need to attend the best school to get the most quality education because the education is going to be based soley on your adeptness to retain information, ask questions, learn/study and teach what you've learned.

I have no idea on whether FSA is even a JAA type of school...

What i'd do is put a new thread under the JAA forum and see if you get any response there...

You probably won't get too quick of a response here, at least not for the next week considering it's the holidays...but after that, everyone should be back and be able to give you more info than I can!

:)
 
Kristie said:
there are a lot of really good flight schools over here. FSA is from what i've heard a good flight school but there are no "best" schools out there besides what is told/shown via marketing.. which is just that, marketing.

you don't need to attend the best school to get the most quality education because the education is going to be based soley on your adeptness to retain information, ask questions, learn/study and teach what you've learned.

I have no idea on whether FSA is even a JAA type of school...

What i'd do is put a new thread under the JAA forum and see if you get any response there...

You probably won't get too quick of a response here, at least not for the next week considering it's the holidays...but after that, everyone should be back and be able to give you more info than I can!

:)
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They are a JAA school. Call Jackie in marketing at 1-800-800-1411. She is the most qualified to answer all of your JAA questions.

ILS
 
I visited the school about two weeks ago and got an extremely comprehensive tour. I've been meaning to post about my visit so here goes.

I arrived at noon to find my name on the welcome sign and a current student ready to show me around. We started at the classrooms in one of the main buildings. I found them to be very large and modern with nice projectors in each.

Next we moved to another large building which housed the flight shop, restaurant, two HUGE level-D simulators, library, and instructor and administrative offices. Again everything here was very clean and new. One thing that really impressed me was the availability of resources available to the students. The library has a huge selection of flying related DVD's and literature as well as computers. There was also a separate room in the library with around 10 computer simulators. These had multi-engine controls and rudder pedals. These basic simulators were available to all students at any time. An excellent resource to help you practice/prepare for any ratings or tests.

Our third stop was the flight building, which had many pre/post flight rooms with weather computers and a separate simulator room. This building was right on the flight line. I found most of the students hanging out in this building. The sims in this building were very impressive as well. They were all IFR projector sims where your instructor acts as ATC. There were about 8 of these. Again, very nice.

Next we checked out the flight line. All of the aircraft are Pipers. They are all IFR and very well maintained. I couldn't believe how many planes they had, nearly 100. They also had 2 Zlin 252's fully aerobatic aircraft that I was told required you to wear a parachute! Yeikes!

We then made our way to the maintenance hanger which was super clean. They hold each aircraft to a 60-hour inspection that is 40 hours less than the FAA requires. Again very nice, very clean, very professional.

Our next stop was the on campus housing. This was less than impressive. The main dorms were old and dingy, kind of like an 80's motel. The 3 bedroom apartments were not much better and very small. There was also only one bathroom. The bungalows were plain, expensive, and lacked a kitchen. The only nice apartments were so expensive, you'd be better off finding a place off campus. One good thing is that you are only charged per night. My advice is to live on campus for a few months, make some friends and move out with them.

Finally, we met with one of the schools financial people to talk prices. For a student like me, with zero time, the cost up to CFI, CFII, MEI was quoted around $65,000. The basic training up to CFI should take around 10 months, definitely no more than 1 year. Then another month for your CFI. If you sign an 800-hour CFI contract with the school they will refund you a good part of your CFII and MEI, I think like $4,000. Instructors can expect to make $1200 to $1500 every 2 weeks.

I was very impressed with the quality of the school. The student who gave me the tour was very honest and upfront about everything and didn't sugarcoat. In short, you get what you pay for. I highly recommend FSA and from what I was told and saw they had an excellent placement rate for their instructors. Usually, mins were met after about a year. I plan to start my training in February. Good luck!
 
Nope. JAA is Joint Aviation Authorities, basically it's an association of all the separate aviation authorities of the countries in Europe. Britiain has the CAA, France has the DGAC, etc. JAA is a temporary agreement between the European authorities to establish a common set of rules and regulations in all of Europe. Eventually all these separate agencies will be totally replaced by EASA, the European Aviation Safety Agency.

Its basically the FAA for the 'United States of Europeland'. Given how well the single European currency worked out I'm sure it will be fine :sarcasm:.

Outside of Europe, JAA is only really as good as any other ICAO licensing system, like FAA. Most countries will require you to convert your licence to thier own countries bit of paper. Often it will be a paperwork excercise or a simple flight test.

On a side note, it's an interesting insight into government that Europe has 'Authorities' to control aviation, while the US has an 'Administration' to look after it...

:D
 
First of all, indeed, I appreciate for your response with full concern.

Dear Kristie & CLR4ILS
Could you let me know what JAA is? Maybe, do you mean Japaness Asia Air?
As you know well, every airline company in South Korea complyes with FAA as NickH wrote.

As you wrote, if you think that it is not necessary to join the best flight academy to be the best pilot, can you let me know recommended flight academy where I need to attend with reasonable price. I want to join the school which is able to teach High grade training and is not exclusive against foreigner (Because I am self-sponsored student, if I am separated from other students and especially instructors despite of my trying, it will be very difficult to study and get right answer).

Dear Intern_Mike
I have really wanted to visit there like you, Thank you for telling your experience. According to you wrote, Up to CFI, it will take about $57,000 but I don't need CFI. Can I am trained up to CPL(including PPL, IFR)? if possible, How long can I build flight hour until CPL? In order to apply for Asiana air, over 250 hour is requierd. In short, I don't need any instructor licenses, and I have to pilot over 250 hrs. Do you think it is possible with about $50,000 on the FSA?

Sorry for many questions and requests, but despite of small things for you, It might be very significant for me. On your way to the best pilot with God bless!!
 
FSA is set up as a 141 School (this is one of the regulations in the USA which flight schools have to follow, other schools are part 61, which required more hours), which means that they can get you your Commercial with 160 hours of airplane time and 30 sim hours for a total of 190 hours.

If you need 250 hours to apply at the airline you want to work at, then you would have to buy more hours.

One thing you could also do to lessen the cost is to do more training in the single engine airplane. FSA has you do your instrument rating in the multi engine, which cost more money. I think it makes you a better pilot to do it this way, but you could save a lot of money by doing everything in the single engine plane, then getting a multi engine rating later, at the end of the program.

You may also want to consider trying to instruct at FSA. Foreign students can get a visa that will allow them to stay for two years, and will allow them to work at FSA. It is not hard to complete the training in one year, so then you could work for another year at FSA as an instructor. If you have more hours, you may have other options other than Asiana Airlines. Depending on how many students are at the school, you could easily go home with over 1,000 hours if you are able to instruct.

Is it possible for you to be hired before you come to FSA? They used to train quite a few pilots from Asiana there, and I believe all were hired before they began training. It would be a big risk to come to the USA to train, if you are not hired by Asiana and there are no other options for you when you go home. Are there other carriers you can interview with when you get your ratings?

If I had to recommend a school to someone from outside the USA, I would probably choose FSA. It is a good school and they try very hard to do the right thing. If you apply yourself and get a good instructor, you will get excellent training at FSA. The only drawback is the cost.
 
Enthusiast78 said:
Dear FSA students,

I live in South Korea(NOT NORTH). I am thinking to enroll the FSA to be a professional pilot of Asiana air, But it is not easy to get the cost outline. As writen on the international student page, I emailed FSA for cost but I haven't gotten anything until now.


What do you think of FSA as the aeronautics academy? I've known FSA is the best across the globe on the field of it. I want to learn the best qualified flight skill. For that, first of all, I think that I have to attend the best academy. FSA is the best academy, isn't it? (Certainly, after attending, I will do my utmost.)


Are there a lot of Korean student there? As you know, to become a pilot to speak in English is the most important. If there are many Korean, I won't improve my English conversation skill.


If there are students of FSA here, Please let me know in detail. I really appreciate for your kindness in advance.


PS. Despite of a little tip about FSA, I will thank you.
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Welcome!
Why don't you call them directly to get the info that you want? Like you've mentioned, you won't improve your English unless you face them and ask questions. You'll need to call them anyway to have the enrollment process done.

There are tons of great FBOs out there where you can get the same quality of training with the reasonable rates. If money doen't matter to you, that's aight. But it'll cost you more than you've planned and they've suggested.

Why do you wanna go to FSA? Do you get advantages? (I don't think so)
FSA is a good school but I would recommend cheaper FBOs. In general, airlines look for your skills and career not the reputation of the school that you've graduated.
 
KMU:
In general, airlines look for your skills and career not the reputation of the school that you've graduated.
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yea.. but in all honestly... we don't know how Asiana Air hires their pilots so him going to a basic FBO over here won't help if he doesn't understand Asiana's requirements on being hired at that particular airline.

Enthusiast78: do you know what the requirements are for being hired by Asiana?

Could you let me know what JAA is?
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look at the post above this question and there is your answer!
 
ananoman said:
If I had to recommend a school to someone from outside the USA, I would probably choose FSA. It is a good school and they try very hard to do the right thing. If you apply yourself and get a good instructor, you will get excellent training at FSA. The only drawback is the cost.
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I went there in 2002 and would say the exact same thing
 
Dear ananoman
Fully thanks for your advice. but I can not stay in USA over about 12 months, I am respossible for my wife and baby. Honestly, I want to get the instruct license(CFI, CFII, MEI) to widen my opportunity. but it is the way I can't choose. And on 2000, after strike of Pilot from ab-nitio of Asiana air, it make CEO of asiana air very angry and then their pre-hired system has gone away. As of this year, Instead of ab-nitio, Asiana air requires experienced applicant who gets the CPL license of multi engine and flies over 250 hrs (this system has been just started). Why I prefer to join FSA is Asiana air made the pre-hierd students be able to be trained on the FSA for a lot of years. As a result of it, I think they were satisfied with FSA's education level and if I attend FSA, when I apply for Asiana air, I will be able to get the merit. As you mentioned, FSA's drawback is so big problem. Thank you.

Dear KMU
I absolutely agree with you. But is is not easy to contact FSA on the line. Cost is so pricey and I might miss the important things because of my bad listening. And as you mentioned, If there are flight school which can provide high quality education to me, Please let me know despite of even one with less money(how about ATP advertised on this forum?). And the all of pilot I know said to me airline company never focus on reputation of the school you were trained at, they will concentrate on your flight skill and English converstion skill like you wrote to me. So I trust your opinion. Your advice about recommended schools will be very appreiciated.

Dear Cristie
Requirements from Asiana air are PPL, IFR, CPL multi engine and over total 250hrs, multi engine 50hrs. To be hired from Asiana air, I must be beyond 9 applicants on the 7 test for about 4 months. Even though passed all of test, further training is required. Anyway, After strike of Korean air and Asiana air, this is the only way to become the airline pilot in South Korea as Korean.

I've glanced the article of foreigner hiring and I've heard from the people who are interested in airlines, Korean air is hiring co-pilot from outside South Korea. (NOT PILOT) Is it true? Anybody don't know about this?

I really appreciate you all for response.
 
ummm... a co-pilot IS a pilot...it's what we call the first officer (the person that sits in the right seat). normally here in the states, you have to work as a first officer before you can become the captain of the plane (the person that sits in the left seat).

do you have any of your ratings yet or are you starting from 0 time?

so your saying you already passed the required tests and now just need to get the flight time?
 
Sorry for making confused. I wonder if Korean air is hiring Co-pilot these days (not captain, capain has been already hired) or not.

The other requirements(only Korean, eye sight over 0.8, good toefl score....) are ready to apply for Asiana air. But I don't have any ratings. I must start from 0 hour. If I get all of ratings I need, I can apply for it. So I need information of flight school.
 
I am not sure if it is still around, but Asiana used to send cadets to FlightSafety for all their training. I believe it was sponsored by Asiana and there was no cost to the students themselves. You may want to ask someone from Asiana if the program still exists. FlightSafety has had quite a bit of experience with Asiana, so it probably would be good to look into.
 
I am considering to attend FSA due to high quality training and correlation with Asiana air in the past like rausda27 adviced. But It is not easy to ignore high cost. So I am tring to find other candidates to compare with FSA on the various point of view.

I really wonder why FSA has not emailed back me. Even though I've emailed FSA over 4 times, I couldn't reiceive any reply from FSA.
 
couldn't really tell you...

Can someone on the inside at FSA try to get an answer for this please?!
 
Enthusiast78 said:
I am considering to attend FSA due to high quality training and correlation with Asiana air in the past like rausda27 adviced. But It is not easy to ignore high cost. So I am tring to find other candidates to compare with FSA on the various point of view.

I really wonder why FSA has not emailed back me. Even though I've emailed FSA over 4 times, I couldn't reiceive any reply from FSA.
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When did you send the e-mails? A lot of the staff is out for vacation.
 
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