Plane off runway at MDW

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Sorry it's so big.

Weather guy just said MDW has gotten 10 inches today. What a mess.
http://home.att.net/~flychicaga/P1010004.JPG
 
In Wx like this, assuming it was snowing at the time of the accident like it is now, how much extra speed on top of Vref do you carry. My experience, which is mostly turboprop and small biz jets is +10 / 15 kts. Southwest rep on tv right now says is was snowing at time of accident..... but light winds and good vis.
 
i'll carry extra speed for high winds/gusts, but at midway (the few times ive been there) i carry as little extra as possible. Those runways are short and there is no stopway, just concrete. And then another concrete wall.
 
In snow or rain, I don't carry extra speed unless it's gusty. Even at MDW I'll bump speeds for the gust factor. But you just land firm right on the fixed distance markers and get it stopped. Nothing fancy. Even when you do it right, sometimes the weather just bites you.
 
at first they said 8yr old but they mentioned 6yr old so not sure which one it is.

minimal winds
 
That's what I figured. I'm so tired of watching CNN call this a "runaway airplane". It's not the experts that annoy me, it's underlying connotations of the anchors.
Anyone that has been around aviation for more than 5 minutes know that unless it's obvious, everything else is mere speculation.

I need to provide the disclaimer that I'm not a fan of CNN. Fox chose not to cut away from Bill O'Rielly.
 
I love how the news comes to conclusions as to why the airplane crashed, through reliable :sarcasm: sources such as Joe Public-type witnesses.

Sensationalizing news material at it's greatest!

People, paaaaaahlease don't conclude anything without a final NTSB report!
 
Snow was coming down at about an inch an hour and the area around MDW got the brunt of it. The indiana side got crunched a bit too, but MDW had the high winds. Here's another photo of the plane.
 
I was there last night for like an hour and a half. I have some pictures but they are real bad quality because of the snow that was falling.
 
M.L said:
I was there last night for like an hour and a half. I have some pictures but they are real bad quality because of the snow that was falling.
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Did they move the plane off the street yet?

I just like how the media kept re-iterating the fact that the plane was a 737-700. Din't know that it made a difference!

-Matthew
 
I'm sure seeing a plane in the middle of the steet through a big gap in the wall will be very comforting for nervous passengers.:sarcasm:
 
FlyChicaga said:
I'm a little in shock about this, because I really thought it would never happen. But an airplane has skidded off the end of Runway 31C at MDW into 55th and Central.
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I only wondered when it would happen.

It seems it was snowing hard enough there they might have been getting lake effect snow, meaning wind out of the east.

That would be a standard operation at MDW. Land with a tailwind because of the need to use a precision approach. If, as one "expert" reported, there was about a 10 kt tailwind it would have definitely been a factor.

I can't imagine how the crew felt when they found out about the boy. Tough tough night.
 
flyover said:
I only wondered when it would happen.

It seems it was snowing hard enough there they might have been getting lake effect snow, meaning wind out of the east.

That would be a standard operation at MDW. Land with a tailwind because of the need to use a precision approach. If, as one "expert" reported, there was about a 10 kt tailwind it would have definitely been a factor.

I can't imagine how the crew felt when they found out about the boy. Tough tough night.
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metars from the timeframe:

KMDW 090253Z 23003KT 3SM -SN BR SCT007 OVC033 M04/M06 A3002 RMK AO2 SLP183 P0000 60000 T10441056 56022 $
KMDW 090233Z 00000KT 1 1/4SM -SN BR BKN004 OVC033 M04/M05 A3003 RMK AO2 P0000 $
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMDW 090153Z 23003KT 1/2SM SN FZFG VV002 M04/M05 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP191 R31C/4000V4500FT SNINCR 1/10 P0000 T10391050 $[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMDW 090137Z 16005KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV002 M04/M05 A3005 RMK AO2 R31C/3000FT P0000 $[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMDW 090053Z 10011KT 1/2SM SN FZFG BKN004 OVC014 M03/M05 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP196 R31C/4500FT SNINCR 1/10 P0000 T10331050 $[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMDW 090024Z 09011KT 3/4SM -SN BR OVC003 M03/M04 A3007 RMK AO2 R31C/5500V6000FT P0000 $[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMDW 082353Z COR 10009KT 1/4SM SN FZFG VV001 M03/M04 A3009 RMK AO2 SLP207 R31C/3000FT SNINCR 3/9 4/009 P0000 60000 T10331044 11033 21056 56040[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMDW 082316Z COR 08010KT 1/2SM SN FZFG BKN002 OVC009 M03/M05 A3011 RMK AO2 R31C/3500 SNINCR 2/5 P0000[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMDW 082253Z 09012KT 3/4SM -SN BR BKN004 OVC009 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP216 R31C/5000FT SNINCR 2/5 P0000 T10331050[/FONT]
[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KMDW 082250Z 08011KT 3/4SM -SN BR SCT004 OVC009 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 R31C/5000FT SNINCR 2/5 P0000[/FONT]
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I flew freight into MDW every night for over a year. It's a tough, tight place. I only flew light twins at the time so runway length was no factor...but I used to wonder what the view from the cockpit was like operating the bigger jets out of there. At that point in time, I think I remember hearing that at SWA it was a "Captain's Only" takeoff and landing at MDW.

In my experience, I've found that when runway conditions are tough...land early in the the touchdown zone! It makes all the difference in the world. If you follow the glideslope to touchdown with almost no flare you will land 1200' to 1500' down the runway. If you follow the glideslope and flare normally...you will land almost 3000' down the runway...sometimes even out of the touchdown zone. It's astounding how much difference that 1500' to 1800' difference makes in stopping performance.

KLGA is pretty tight for a bigger jet. When I'm flying with someone who puts it down firmly...but at 1500'...and gets the wheels on the ground and starts braking...I always say "excellent landing". Pilots know it...on a short runway...the quality of the landing has nothing to do with the "softness of the touch" and everything to do with getting it down and stopped.

Then again...you have to be careful not to "duck under" the glideslope in a big, long jet. The wheels are so far behind you that they might not make the runway...even though the cockpit did!
 
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