Plane down. New Smyrna, FL

dustoff17 said:
I'm more surprised that the NTSB has already released the damaged airplane. Not only that, they have seemingly tested every component to a point that they have determined the airplane to have been mechanically sound. Interesting.........
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I think it had recently been disassembled and painted. There's no prelim either.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Did anyone checkout this flighttimebuilding website? They obviously sell blocks and require a daily expected usage of 6 hrs per day! Talk about pressuring pilots to fly and get the hours done. That has to count for an external pressure. Who wants go to over budget at those costs? She just landed at 4pm and then went back up at 8pm.

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After this time you are then the proud “owner” of the aircraft till you are done with your time block which we do look for a minimum of 6 hours per day or approximately 36 hours per week
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So basically your saying that the program treats people like a regional airline?

All kidding aside, when I was instructing, I regularly flew right up to the 8 hour cap. It's not all that hard to do. Sure, you are beat at the end of a 12-13 hour day, but I never felt like I was unsafe.
 
"The air traffic controller then began to help navigate her and the plane to the nearest airport."
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As opposed to navigating just the plane OR the pilot? For God's sake hire a copy editor, guys.

Oh. Don't read the comments on the article. Your head will 'splode.
 
PFGiardino said:
ATC not being able to encourage or offer these up is all for good reason, IMO. 'Hey N123AB, tell you what, cleared contact approach, go ahead and take her down to about 1100', follow Walden for about four miles, then look for 32 off your right side. I'll turn the lights up. K? K!' Yeah... no.
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And by the way, there is no missed approach procedure for that contact approach. Go missed and you're on your own.
 
deadstick said:
I think it had recently been disassembled and painted. There's no prelim either.
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I was making reference to the school owner's comment.

According to Ramphal [school owner], the NTSB released the plane to him on Thursday and told him there wasn't anything mechanically wrong with it.

This sounds to me as if the NTSB has already completed that side of the investigation and "released" his maintenance crew from liability.....Hmmmm
 
I met this lady back in November for lunch. She was gracious, kind, and engaging. I only met her once but I miss her. Concur with prior comments and I don't know why she launched in IFR/SVFR conditions.

While we can only speculate now, I think that the lack of English fluency and pilot training contributed to this terrible accident.

If in trouble, dial up 121.5 and start your transmission with "MAYDAY". Not "Hello?" MAYDAY brings immediate and total response from ATC. All ATC facilities monitor guard frequencies on 121.5 and 243.0. From the audio it sounds like it took several minutes for her to establish contact and communicate her predicament.

As to language proficiency I told her that although I was across the table from her at that lunch, I had trouble understanding her. When the • goes down bad, you have to fight back with everything you have. To be in IMC and fighting an emergent situation requires fluency in the language of your helpers. That contributed to this accident in my opinion.
 
SpiceWeasel said:
I am pretty sure you implied it. "I taught Chinese students. Miracle this didn't happen all the time."

There is a difference, maybe you should expand your cultural horizons and learn it? Or do you just not care?
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i think what is relevant is that English wasn't her first language.. So no, it doesn't matter. No need to get chippy.
 
wbauman1217 said:
i think what is relevant is that English wasn't her first language.. So no, it doesn't matter. No need to get chippy.
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My first language wasn't English either.

Seemed covered earlier - when she got deep in the situation, the "law of primacy" took over in her communications.

Sure, a 500 hour pilot should sound like they have 500 hours of experience, but what if they only got a few hours a year?

Currency != Proficiency

Just because you have earned the certificates doesn't mean your flying will be the same quality as the day you took your checkride.
 
dustoff17 said:
This sounds to me as if the NTSB has already completed that side of the investigation and "released" his maintenance crew from liability.....Hmmmm
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The physical evidence was probably cut and dry here, thus not requiring a long holding period. I'd bet they're still reviewing the student training and rental records, though, to see if there's any patterns. Regardless, I think the owners will come out alright, especially with decent counsel.
 
wbauman1217 said:
i think what is relevant is that English wasn't her first language.. So no, it doesn't matter. No need to get chippy.
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Ok. But I think it's pretty obvious your comment was worded more like "Hey, I know how Chinese chicks fly" rather than "Hey, I know how non-native English speakers of all races fly". Just sayin', I think it matters and don't think our Swedish friend is being chippy.

"Oh, you're having trouble with that black student from Dallas? Yeah, I flew in Cameroon for 6 years man, let me tell ya". China and Japan, very different. I really don't mean it personally, but just in general it seems far too many people lump all of Asia together in their heads and think it's OK to not distinguish what nation people are from.

[/all I'm gonna say about it, don't get me started on Asian chicks again.]
 
Again, having trained many international students, it wasn't a matter of language. It was a matter of trying to slog around VFR in what became IMC.
 
Derg said:
This is the third thread of the week insinuating behavior based on race, gender and ethnicity.

Y'all better check yo'selvse before you wreck yo'selves.
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And just to get it out of the way early, no, I don't know how to build vehicle-borne IEDs.

Just like my neighbor with the Vietnamese wife, she doesn't know much about how to construct an effective punji stick trap.
 
MikeD said:
And just to get it out of the way early, no, I don't know how to build vehicle-borne IEDs.
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You DO know how to enrich uranium, though, right? Didn't you build a centrifuge out of a Duncan Yo-Yo, a screen door spring and some tupperware?
 
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