plane crash near Lawrenceville GA

Baronpilot244

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News station here reporting a plane crash - (into a house) - in Lawrenceville, GA.
It looks like it is a C310 (N308J). I checked on flightaware, the news station said the airplane was bound for Sparta TN. Only airplane going there was the 310.

The track shows a last radar return about 5mi North West of LZU.
They said there was 1 on board - no word on injuries.

Bp244
 
I hope no one is hurt, at least only 1 person on board though.
Local news is reporting there may have been one person in the house the Cessna crashed into. Hope everyone is OK, but from the looks of that blaze, it doesn't look promising.:(
 
Media is reporting 2 dead so far - one in the house, one in the plane. Looks like it went down in a nicer neighborhood.
 
Saw it take off. I don't know who it was. Weather was about 1mi 200 ft rain mist.

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Hey guys...thanks for thinking about me! That means alot, but I'm fine...not going anywhere flying today!

I was working in Athens today when I got about 15 calls from people making sure it wasn't me.

Our 310 is 4169Q, so if you hear of that one...do a Maker's Mark shot...lol.

I'm trying to figure out where it went down, from the track it's right around our apartment near the Mall of Georgia.

Either way, it's terrible to hear about someone crashing...:(...RIP
 
I think Surferlucas's 310 is out of Habersham not Gwinnett. So far they are reporting 2 deceased. One in the house and the pilot of the airplane. Weather has very low IFR, and the plane is reported to be a transient not a 310 thats based at LZU.
 
Hey guys...thanks for thinking about me! That means alot, but I'm fine...not going anywhere flying today!

I was working in Athens today when I got about 15 calls from people making sure it wasn't me.

Our 310 is 4169Q, so if you hear of that one...do a Maker's Mark shot...lol.

I'm trying to figure out where it went down, from the track it's right around our apartment near the Mall of Georgia.

Either way, it's terrible to hear about someone crashing...:(...RIP



LAWRENCEVILLE, Ga. -- Two people were killed -- including one person on the ground -- when a Cessna 310 crashed into a home in the 2300 block of Walker Drive in Gwinnett County Friday afternoon.


Bp244
 
Roger that gatorbuc....that flightaware track we saw in C-twr today was sad....2 postion reports..ughh

WSBTV.com had a quote that said "investigators said the C-310 was not equipped with a flight data recorder because it was an older model 310(1965).:cool::cool:

I confirmed with a guy I know in the newsroom at the station that the NTSB told them that.

AHH WHAT
 
Roger that gatorbuc....that flightaware track we saw in C-twr today was sad....2 postion reports..ughh

WSBTV.com had a quote that said "investigators said the C-310 was not equipped with a flight data recorder because it was an older model 310(1965).:cool::cool:

I confirmed with a guy I know in the newsroom at the station that the NTSB told them that.

AHH WHAT

Guys,

The 310 is not requiered to have a FDR, read your regs regarding FDRs and CVRs. Now what I find interesting is this... On this trip the pilot filed a FAA aircraft equipment suffix of /G, meaning GPS and mode C transponder. The previous flight, FAY-LZU was filed as a /A, meaning VOR/DME with a mode C transponder. The flight before that from SFQ-FAY was filed as a /T, meaning no dme and transponder without mode C. Either different pilots flew each leg, or this bird had some avionics work performed over the last few trips. I would not be suprised if some work was done at LZU. Complete and utter speculation here, but given only two updates on track at flight aware (flightaware provides one minute track logs) and the last one shows the aircraft at 2800 feet msl, given the average terrain altitude in the area at 1050 feet msl, that means the aircraft was descending at a minimum of about 1700 fpm for it to go from 2800 to the ground without another update one minute later on flightaware. So I would say there is a good chance of some sort of electrical failure or avionics which led to vertigo and the subsequent crash. IFR departures out of LZU are assigned an initial altitude of 3000, and considering the aircraft took off on runway 7, and made the typical left turn out assigned by the A80 Tracon Satellite controller, through Gwinnett tower, I'd say the pilot had the aircraft stable and under control. An engine failure at that point almost would have been a non event. So my speculation is avionics/electrical related, runaway pitch trim, or plain old spatial disorientation. He could have lost an engine and from there became distracted and loss control of the aircraft, we just don't know.

Regardless of the cause however, my thoughts go out to all those impacted by this event and may the lost rest in peace.
 
Guys,

The 310 is not requiered to have a FDR, read your regs regarding FDRs and CVRs.


Exactly, hence my "ahh what"...I can't stand inaccurate media statements in aviation accidents. Then for me to call my buddy at the station to try and correct the info and I get the answer back "well that's what the NTSB said".

RIP 308J
 
Guys,

The 310 is not requiered to have a FDR, read your regs regarding FDRs and CVRs.


Exactly, hence my "ahh what"...I can't stand inaccurate media statements in aviation accidents. Then for me to call my buddy at the station to try and correct the info and I get the answer back "well that's what the NTSB said".

RIP 308J

Oh, sorry my mistake. I saw that but truth be told it went over my head and I thought perhaps that was a signature of sorts. Well, don't let it suprise you that a news story said that the fire was fed by tons, yes that's right, TONS of JET FUEL.

Ahhh, WHHAAT?!?!
 
Guys,

The 310 is not requiered to have a FDR, read your regs regarding FDRs and CVRs. Now what I find interesting is this... On this trip the pilot filed a FAA aircraft equipment suffix of /G, meaning GPS and mode C transponder. The previous flight, FAY-LZU was filed as a /A, meaning VOR/DME with a mode C transponder. The flight before that from SFQ-FAY was filed as a /T, meaning no dme and transponder without mode C. Either different pilots flew each leg, or this bird had some avionics work performed over the last few trips. I would not be suprised if some work was done at LZU. Complete and utter speculation here, but given only two updates on track at flight aware (flightaware provides one minute track logs) and the last one shows the aircraft at 2800 feet msl, given the average terrain altitude in the area at 1050 feet msl, that means the aircraft was descending at a minimum of about 1700 fpm for it to go from 2800 to the ground without another update one minute later on flightaware. So I would say there is a good chance of some sort of electrical failure or avionics which led to vertigo and the subsequent crash. IFR departures out of LZU are assigned an initial altitude of 3000, and considering the aircraft took off on runway 7, and made the typical left turn out assigned by the A80 Tracon Satellite controller, through Gwinnett tower, I'd say the pilot had the aircraft stable and under control. An engine failure at that point almost would have been a non event. So my speculation is avionics/electrical related, runaway pitch trim, or plain old spatial disorientation. He could have lost an engine and from there became distracted and loss control of the aircraft, we just don't know.

Regardless of the cause however, my thoughts go out to all those impacted by this event and may the lost rest in peace.

If you are "in the system" on a VFR flight the track gets picked up by flightaware. The controller has to put something in the equipment box, and unless otherwise told by the pilot, they usually put in /T or /U, and sometimes /A. The equipment suffixes really can't be trusted unless you know that the flight was done under IFR.
 
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