Piper Arrow question

[killbilly]

:yeahthat: x 2

But that aside, I liked flying them a whole bunch more than the C177RG Cardinal. I *hate* the Cardinal.

Really? Why? Aesthetically, I think they're beauties. I've never flown one, though.

 

[Ian_J]

Really? Why? Aesthetically, I think they're beauties. I've never flown one, though.

I can only comment on the one my school has, but it's landing characteristics SUCK. (At the approach speed listed in the POH the pitch attitude on landing is way high - so high it is difficult to see the runway. Plus, the stabilator control during landing is weak at best.) It also has a retarded landing gear system prone to problems. And at 6-1, there is no seat configuration I can make to keep my head from rubbing the ceiling.

But you're right... it is a good looking plane. Maybe other people who have flown the Cardinal have had better experiences...

 

[ananoman]

Starting with the III they increased to 72 gallons.

Yes, but unless you have 4 really skinny people, you can't carry those 72 gallons and be under gross.

 

[Italianaviator]

Thanks guys for all the helpful information that answered my question right on.

 

[PanJet]

I always thought the Arrow was -201 because the engine had 201 cu. in. of displacement.

As was said before, this is not the case. The displacement is found in the engine model number. For example, the engine in the Arrow (at least the one I fly is a IO-360-something (don't have my POH handy). The IO stands for injected opposed, and the 360 stands for the displacement, and the last part which I don't remember is the exact model number.

I don't think anyone mentioned it, but there was also and Arrow II. These were the last ones with the Hershey Bar wings if I remember correct. The tapered wings solved part of the terrible landing characteristics. Also, one Arrow II that I've flown a lot has an STS for wing and stabilator extentions that adds a whole 3' to the wing span. This greatly improves the glide and landing characteristics on the old Hershey Bar wings. I've flown two Arrow II's, one with, and one without the extentions and they're like two totally different airplanes.

 

[slushie]

Piper nomenclature was conceived by a drunkard with a severe laceration through his skull

 

[ananoman]

Another thing, Arrow's have the glide ratio of a flying brick.

This is true to a point, but if you want to glide any distance you have to pull the prop lever all the way back. This really isn't something you want to do close to the ground, but it does improve the glide performance quite a bit.

 

[Cessnaflyer]

This is true to a point, but if you want to glide any distance you have to pull the prop lever all the way back. This really isn't something you want to do close to the ground, but it does improve the glide performance quite a bit.

Thats if you still have enough oil pressure.

 

[slushie]

This is true to a point, but if you want to glide any distance you have to pull the prop lever all the way back. This really isn't something you want to do close to the ground, but it does improve the glide performance quite a bit.

A pink slip on my commercial begs to confirm this.

 

[PanJet]

A pink slip on my commercial begs to confirm this.

Well, it's not something I'd do on a checkride since it isn't in the POH, but as I'm sure you know (judging by your comment), the drag is dramatically reduced if you pull the prop lever all the way back. It's amazing how you feel the drag dissappear when the prop comes back.

The reason you probably got a pink slip is that it can be a dangerous move when not in a real emergency, kinda like actually shutting off the fuel to the engine. If you forget to push the prop lever forward before going around, or if it takes too long for the prop to go back to low pitch setting you can turn a fake emergency into a real one.

 

[timeoff]

Here is a cut-and-paste from another board (FI):

Piper designators:
PA-28-140/ Cruiser/ Flightliner
PA-28-150/160 Cherokee
PA-28-151/161 Warrior/ Cadet
PA-28-180 Cherokee 180 (later models known as Archer)
PA-28-181 Archer II (semi-tapered wings)
PA-28R-180/200 Arrow/Arrow II
PA-28R-201 Arrow III
PA-28RT-201 Arrow IV T-Tail
PA-28R-201T Turbo Arrow III
PA-28RT-201T Turbo Arrow IV T-Tail
PA-28-201T Turbo Dakota
PA-28-235 Cherokee 235/ Charger
PA-28-236 Dakota

 

[ananoman]

Well, it's not something I'd do on a checkride since it isn't in the POH

I don't think it is in the emergency procedures, but if you look at the best glide chart for the Arrow III, it specifies that the prop lever be in the low RPM position.