Pinnacle LGA

jtrain609 said:
I'd rather have 16 more seats to make my commute on, personally.
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There's a reason they put Dashes on that route, and it ain't because Whiskey's RJs were bursting at the seams...

If/when you decide to move to BGR, I think your commute will be safe :rolleyes:
 
Duck_Twacy said:
There's a reason they put Dashes on that route, and it ain't because Whiskey's RJs were bursting at the seams...

If/when you decide to move to BGR, I think your commute will be safe :rolleyes:
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HA!

BGR-EWR is probably one of the hardest commutes in the CAL system. Tons of old COex guys that live up here that flew for Bar Harbor waaay back. IT doesnt help hat the airport manager has a tree up her butt. Back when COex flew 2 ERJs (that were always the ERs before they sucked less) Pops was #6 on the standby list once with a board date of 1976 (and they were all employees trying to get to work, none of that family of 6 on a vacation pass crap). Add that to the fact that there are currently 7 flights a day for the entire airport it gets a bit dicey trying to commute especially in the summertime when all the darn tourists come up. And its just far enough that it makes driving the whole thing a beyotch.

Did I say I hate the airport manager?

Just to show her incompetence there was an article in the paper today that a cruise boat (its a small one, 160 feet or so) that has been based in BGR for the summer for years is leaving for the only reason that people cant get flights to BGR any more.


/rant.
 
LGA is a cakewalk.

Plenty of commuter flights, plenty of ways to make money with overages, reasonable crash pads, etc...
 
OldTownPilot said:
HA!

BGR-EWR is probably one of the hardest commutes in the CAL system. Tons of old COex guys that live up here that flew for Bar Harbor waaay back.


/rant.
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That may be...I think the most I ever had on a LGA-BGR flight was about 17. Good overnight though...
 
Seggy said:
LGA is a cakewalk.

Plenty of commuter flights, plenty of ways to make money with overages, reasonable crash pads, etc...
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Besides the fact that the roads around there tried to destroy my car at every opportunity, it wasn't terrible. Good public tran, easily commutable (from the east coast), lots to do, and like Seggy said tons of crash pad options between LGA and JFK.
 
Seggy said:
LGA is a cakewalk.

Plenty of commuter flights, plenty of ways to make money with overages, reasonable crash pads, etc...
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If we get a LGA base, I want block or better. I'll settle for trip value or better. Otherwise, you can bet your sweet aunt Petunia all us 9E guys are gonna be flying 15 minutes for free a LOT.
 
kellwolf said:
If we get a LGA base, I want block or better. I'll settle for trip value or better. Otherwise, you can bet your sweet aunt Petunia all us 9E guys are gonna be flying 15 minutes for free a LOT.
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Wait... What? Pinnacle doesn't have block or better?
 
CRJDriver said:
Wait... What? Pinnacle doesn't have block or better?
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Nope. We get paid by trip values. The "trip value" is the average of the blocks over the past year, but they only change if they go up or down a certain percentage. We don't start getting paid again until we're 15 minutes OVER the trip value. So, we could be blocked at 2:34, but we may only get paid 2:30 minutes if that's what the "trip value" is. If we actually block 2:45, congrats. The company just got us for 15 minutes for free, even if the block was 2:30. This works out well for the company in the winter. We often wind up de-icing for free because of this. Now, if we get an actual block of 2:46, awesome. We just got paid an extra MINUTE.

I was okay with trip value or better until Ken explained why block or better would work out better for us. Right now, the company can extend the block whatever they want to make the flight on-time with no pay penalty since we're based on trip values. However, if we were paid BLOCK values, they'd need to have it somewhat realistic, or we'd all be getting paid well over what we were actually flying. Management does NOT like paying pilots to do nothing. They will, happily it seems, have us flying for free, though. Our failed TA DID have trip value or better.
 
kellwolf said:
Nope. We get paid by trip values. The "trip value" is the average of the blocks over the past year, but they only change if they go up or down a certain percentage. We don't start getting paid again until we're 15 minutes OVER the trip value.
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:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
kellwolf said:
Nope. We get paid by trip values. The "trip value" is the average of the blocks over the past year, but they only change if they go up or down a certain percentage. We don't start getting paid again until we're 15 minutes OVER the trip value. So, we could be blocked at 2:34, but we may only get paid 2:30 minutes if that's what the "trip value" is. If we actually block 2:45, congrats. The company just got us for 15 minutes for free, even if the block was 2:30. This works out well for the company in the winter. We often wind up de-icing for free because of this. Now, if we get an actual block of 2:46, awesome. We just got paid an extra MINUTE.

I was okay with trip value or better until Ken explained why block or better would work out better for us. Right now, the company can extend the block whatever they want to make the flight on-time with no pay penalty since we're based on trip values. However, if we were paid BLOCK values, they'd need to have it somewhat realistic, or we'd all be getting paid well over what we were actually flying. Management does NOT like paying pilots to do nothing. They will, happily it seems, have us flying for free, though. Our failed TA DID have trip value or better.
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That really blows.
 
You folks have no idea how hard it is for me not to start venting over block vs. trip and better value. I have done it in the past and Kell saw the light..... :dunno:
 
kellwolf said:
Nope. We get paid by trip values. The "trip value" is the average of the blocks over the past year, but they only change if they go up or down a certain percentage. We don't start getting paid again until we're 15 minutes OVER the trip value. So, we could be blocked at 2:34, but we may only get paid 2:30 minutes if that's what the "trip value" is. If we actually block 2:45, congrats. The company just got us for 15 minutes for free, even if the block was 2:30. This works out well for the company in the winter. We often wind up de-icing for free because of this. Now, if we get an actual block of 2:46, awesome. We just got paid an extra MINUTE.
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Wow.....sucks.
 
Wow, bummer for you PNCL guys on that one. Had no idea. We all have our battles to contend with, crazy industry this is. Maybe I missed it, was this addressed in the TA ya'll turned down?
 
bike21 said:
Wow, bummer for you PNCL guys on that one. Had no idea. We all have our battles to contend with, crazy industry this is. Maybe I missed it, was this addressed in the TA ya'll turned down?
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The TA contained trip value or greater, not block or better. It was an improvement over the current scheme.
 
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