Pinnacle LGA and BOS bases closing

crazyjaydawg said:
Because there are more lucrative contracts and not enough pilots to go around. So we're saying screw EAS before EAS can screw us and putting a band-aid on the bullet wound that is pilot staffing.
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Makes sense, but we really cant just hire the amount of pilots that were in Boston? Also, this Boston base was opened in June of this year. Noone knew?
 
Louie1975 said:
Makes sense, but we really cant just hire the amount of pilots that were in Boston? Also, this Boston base was opened in June of this year. Noone knew?
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The only thing that changed was where the pilots were based. They have been talking about this for a long while now.
 
L-16B said:
The only thing that changed was where the pilots were based. They have been talking about this for a long while now.
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I guess then the only thing is why bother opening a base. I mean, I know a Capt. that moved there. Or at least tell people....this base may close very soon. Also, if we are proactively getting rid of our EAS routes up in Boston(and I did not hear the official announcement, only going by what was posted here), what does that mean for our other EAS routes?
 
Louie1975 said:
I guess then the only thing is why bother opening a base. I mean, I know a Capt. that moved there. Or at least tell people....this base may close very soon. Also, if we are proactively getting rid of our EAS routes up in Boston(and I did not hear the official announcement, only going by what was posted here), what does that mean for our other EAS routes?
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This is just the way it works. They can't say "be based here but it may shut down". And the Boston base opening was a good thing, it's almost an end to outstation basing at CJC. Plus this wasn't finalized til recently. No need to spread rumors over something that MAY happen. And this doesnt make a difference for our other EAS routes yet, as they are tied into hubs, whereas Boston wasn't really cost effective as it was a tiny hub.
 
The news of these base closures isn't really surprising and it isn't really news, because it was inevitable once the Delta/USAirways slot swap was worked out. The company is merely following through with their strategic plan to right-size the airlin. EAS flying is an albatross around the company's neck, and given the current fiscal environment I don't see funding being continued in the next budget. It is a "pork barrel" program that needs to go, and with the exception of Alaska it is truly not essential if you look at the communities served by it in the lower 48.

Base closures, realignments, fleet reductions/retirements are inevitable in this business, and managers are further challenged by dynamics that they cannot forsee in geopolitics, oil prices and the overall economy. Unfortunately, the employees sufer the fallout of these decisions and I don't expect the volitility of the industry to change in the near future.

If I were to predict the future I'd expect to see CRW to close also, and with the reduction in fleet size, I don't see the remaining EAS flying in IAD or IAH to be sustainable. In fact, We ned to be concerned about the 120+ CRJ-200 fleet coming up forcontract amendment in 2017. I don't see that happening, nor is it in the overall best interest of the company to continue operating that fleet composition in the future. BUT, the burning question in my mind is how does this company recapialize itself to be viable in the next decade?

I am not trying to paint a "doom & gloom" picture, but this company has a big chalenge in front of it over the next few years and is highly vulnerable. Robbing Peter to pay Paul will catch-up with Pinnacle Corp. if they don't do more to get things on the right track..
 
L-16B said:
This is just the way it works. They can't say "be based here but it may shut down". And the Boston base opening was a good thing, it's almost an end to outstation basing at CJC. Plus this wasn't finalized til recently. No need to spread rumors over something that MAY happen. And this doesnt make a difference for our other EAS routes yet, as they are tied into hubs, whereas Boston wasn't really cost effective as it was a tiny hub.
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I hear they're looking for a regional chief of LBB.

btw with 11 Q's how many additional lines of flying will there be at IAH?
 
Sometimes when your looking for new work, the easiest way to look like your staffed, is to quickly close a base and get rid of flying.

If you catch my drift.
 
btw with 11 Q's how many additional lines of flying will there be at IAH?

I think that will be 2 additional lines of flying, plus a spare. Montrose flying ended in August, if I'm not mistaken as well.
 
BE19Pilot said:
I am not trying to paint a "doom & gloom" picture, but this company has a big chalenge in front of it over the next few years and is highly vulnerable. Robbing Peter to pay Paul will catch-up with Pinnacle Corp. if they don't do more to get things on the right track..
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Pinnacle has been robbing Peter to pay Paul for many years now. I think we are now in a situation where we are robbing Paul to repay Peter and get the airline back on track like it should have been years ago.

Let's face it... a huge chuck of Corps problem now is pilot staffing. A shortage mainly because Inc. didn't want to hire, even going so far as to say we were properly staffed and blaming all the junior man and extensions on 'unplanned absences'. Inc should have hired at least 6 months to a year prior to when they actually started hiring again. Now we are faced with a massive shakeup to fix all the problems that were created long ago.
 
sherpa said:
I hear they're looking for a regional chief of LBB.

btw with 11 Q's how many additional lines of flying will there be at IAH?
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I heard your grandfather was the worst kamikaze pilot ever. Hence why he's still alive.

Well don't look at recent lines to calculate it...... Think 26 hard lines (no buildup) divided by 9 airplanes isn't a good ratio of airplane to line. It's normally higher.
 
ctab5060X said:
Pinnacle has been robbing Peter to pay Paul for many years now. I think we are now in a situation where we are robbing Paul to repay Peter and get the airline back on track like it should have been years ago.

Let's face it... a huge chuck of Corps problem now is pilot staffing. A shortage mainly because Inc. didn't want to hire, even going so far as to say we were properly staffed and blaming all the junior man and extensions on 'unplanned absences'. Inc should have hired at least 6 months to a year prior to when they actually started hiring again. Now we are faced with a massive shakeup to fix all the problems that were created long ago.
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A lot of guys would also like to thank Inc for not hiring, thus skewing the quotas on the -200 CA slots. We'll be over the quotas now based off normal staffing thanks to those morons. As a result, a Saab guy getting displaced out of MSP could bump me down on the -200 in JFK, but I can't do the same thing to someone in MEM or DTW on the -900. Why? Because Mesaba actually STAFFED their airline effective on July 1st, 2010. Anyway, I digress.....

I looked at the seniority list last night just for S&Gs to see how this affects me. Not much (and by "not much" I me zero). The MEM Saab base closing affected me more basically because it increased the number of guys doing the MEM-JFK/LGA commute. Now, when they shut down the MSP Saab base, be afraid. Be very afraid....
 
Trying to stay positive but I believe they are doing this because we have won an award for q's somewhere abd they are getting rid of unprofitable flying to maintain a staffing level acceptable to this new award. No rumor just my thoughts
 
pilotlight said:
Trying to stay positive but I believe they are doing this because we have won an award for q's somewhere abd they are getting rid of unprofitable flying to maintain a staffing level acceptable to this new award. No rumor just my thoughts
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Agreed, thats of course part of the rumor mill right now. I think thats the case though
 
pilotlight said:
Trying to stay positive but I believe they are doing this because we have won an award for q's somewhere abd they are getting rid of unprofitable flying to maintain a staffing level acceptable to this new award. No rumor just my thoughts
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Thats the rumor.
 
kellwolf said:
A lot of guys would also like to thank Inc for not hiring, thus skewing the quotas on the -200 CA slots. We'll be over the quotas now based off normal staffing thanks to those morons. As a result, a Saab guy getting displaced out of MSP could bump me down on the -200 in JFK, but I can't do the same thing to someone in MEM or DTW on the -900. Why? Because Mesaba actually STAFFED their airline effective on July 1st, 2010. Anyway, I digress.....
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No kidding! I hear the whole "quota complaining" almost every time I walk in ops. On top of having to 'listen' to the same arguments over and over, I get bombarded because I wear a certain red lanyard. Honestly... if CS isn't planning on utilizing the committee any more than he already has, I am thinking of not wearing my lanyard for a few weeks/months. Getting tired of being asked questions and saying 'I don't know'.
 
ctab5060X said:
No kidding! I hear the whole "quota complaining" almost every time I walk in ops. On top of having to 'listen' to the same arguments over and over, I get bombarded because I wear a certain red lanyard. Honestly... if CS isn't planning on utilizing the committee any more than he already has, I am thinking of not wearing my lanyard for a few weeks/months. Getting tired of being asked questions and saying 'I don't know'.
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Needing a break is human. Although you'll find out that without that lanyard people are still going to ask you, I still ask ex union reps questions just because I recognize their face.
 
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