Pinnacle has no place to sweep 3407 under the rug.

jynxyjoe said:
LOL.

I hope a grizzly bear swats down your plane.:cool:
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That's probably not fair of me, but I'm going to try to avoid the scene until at least the direct entry captains start up again and I'm ATP eligible (age 23). And frankly, I'd rather avoid it even then. To be honest with you, I see these guys at PenAir and ERA (non-union shops, albeit) and look at how much they suffer until they upgrade. Crap pay, crap benes, no "fun" flying at work, to me, it seems like a step backward. The only way that I see to make money, or have QoL in this industry is to own your own business (challenging), work your way up into the majors (not always possible), fly in the military (bene's == good), or fight your way to the top of some corporate gig (again not always possible). The regionals don't really fit into that. Just my $.02. Not to say you guys are going about it the wrong way, I just think your road is gonna be a bit harder financially (though you'll have more security in terms of union protection).
 
... The public, as a whole, knows practically nothing about the airline industry.
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... the perception that public has of the airline industry (and pilots specifically) is that served up by the industry's execs and parroted by the media. And that's for a very good reason (not pilots themselves unfortunately)

This serves to misinform the general public public and further isolates the pilot group from any type of popular support when the time comes for contract negotiations.

I remember when Comair was on strike, the Cinci press covered the event as bad or worse than the way official government press covered strikes in certain East-European country in August of 1980.
 
seagull said:
I followed the first two paragraphs, but it seems you kind of shot yourself in the foot if you then chose not to pursue a carrier that had fast upgrades for a little more pay. That fast upgrade could considerably shorten the time you spend at the regional level.
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It's essentially that "golden carrot" that has kept people applying at the commuters.

I might've shot myself in the foot. Who knows. Chances are had I gone to a commuter like Colgan, gotten the upgrade, and even interviewed at a few majors I wouldn't have been hired or I'd be furloughed right now.

I actually did upgrade pretty quick, 2.5 years, but lost it at 3 years when I was downgraded.
 
wheelsup said:
My regional didn't force me to work for it. I don't think anyone here was forced to work at a regional. We can complain (I do) about pay but to be honest we all did it voluntarily with the hope of the upgrade to make OK money and a shot at the majors.

We are upset but only have ourselves to blame for taking these jobs. When we complain about something we aren't forced to do we kind of come off a little teenage-ish and whiney.

I was called to interview at a lot of companies, Colgan being one. I chose not to go. Sometimes I wished I had gone for the quick upgrade but I chose not to go mostly because of the history of bad pay, QOL, mx, and working conditions. When people complain about working there all I have to say is "you knew what you were getting into". Same for me when I chose the particular company I did (a regional). If the airlines really are attracting sub par pilots we have to look in the mirror and point the finger.
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You're right but I'd also say you're wrong. For people who want to make a career out of flying for the airlines, there just aren't many options out there other than flying for a regional. You don't lose your right to admit the need for improvement when you take a logical step in your career path. That even goes for the guys at the top.
 
Back to the op, @ 1:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_v3yFwhRo8


"And I urge you please do not, ever equate professionalism and competency with pay"

Philip Trenary almost looks like he is about to start laughing as he talks to the panel. He will now live the rest of his life as a fool and be remembered as as moron.

Why are they paying this idiot 1.4M?

http://people.forbes.com/profile/philip-h-trenary/63837

Hey Philip, need your Rolls Royce painted? Go to Macco and get it painted for $299. I'm sure you would not ever equate professionalism and competency with pay

Just look here at all the happy people:

http://www.ask.com/questions-about/Maaco-Paint-Jobs

NEWSFLASH: You Get What You Pay For!
 
"And I urge you please do not, ever equate professionalism and competency with pay"

I think he stole this quote from a 7-11 manager.
 
seaav8tor said:
Why are they paying this idiot 1.4M?
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Someone thinks that dimbulb is worth it.

Hey Philip, need your Rolls Royce painted? Go to Macco and get it painted for $299. I'm sure you would not ever equate professionalism and competency with pay

Just look here at all the happy people:

http://www.ask.com/questions-about/Maaco-Paint-Jobs

NEWSFLASH: You Get What You Pay For!
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:D

I got my truck painted at Maaco and they did a pretty good job.

Of course, I went with one of the higher-end packages (Supreme), sanded/single-coat/clearcoat. You go with the Ambassador package which is just single-stage enamel......well, you indeed get what you pay for....
 
E_Dawg said:
You're right but I'd also say you're wrong. For people who want to make a career out of flying for the airlines, there just aren't many options out there other than flying for a regional. You don't lose your right to admit the need for improvement when you take a logical step in your career path. That even goes for the guys at the top.
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I dunno I think a lot of people who went 135 are at 121 carriers now. But the key difference is "flying for the airlines" just doesn't contain the allure that it once did.

Tell that to the 20 year F/O at Airways that is still on reserve...

It's tough to improve the contract carriers. Those that were "on top" but a few years ago are a shell of their former selves. It's much better to be middle of the road or slightly below it.
 
Just in case no one noticed 2008 was a turning point where aggregate of all regional departures out numbered the aggregate of all majors for the first time.

If you look back 25 years the regionals were really nothing in terms of departures or passenger miles flown. Now connect the dots, insignificant percentage to greater than 50% over the span of 25 years. Now take that trend line and project it forward. If you are just now trying to get in the game what do you think the prize is going to be 25 years from now?

More regional pilots chasing fewer major jobs. Major pay will continue to trend down because a significantly larger pool of high time regional jet pilots that keeps growing over time. Regional pay will remain the same. This is called a "lose-lose" situation. Lose if you get stuck at a regional. Lose in you reboot and go to a major.

It was, for some a great career. A few candles have yet to burn out. Unfortunately going forward (for someone early in their career) the prospects of what was is now a hollow dream that will be no more.
 
"And I urge you please do not, ever equate professionalism and competency with pay"




He's wrong there. But he is not the only one that sees it that way. I mean look at Roger Cohen (That RAA guy)
 
seaav8tor said:
Just in case no one noticed 2008 was a turning point where aggregate of all regional departures out numbered the aggregate of all majors for the first time.
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It's also possible that commuters are doing more flying because of the cyclical nature of the industry. Instead of buying planes and training pilots for a few short years then having to park or sell the planes and furlough the pilots at great cost, the majors can simply contract out their "better" years and make cutbacks to those same carriers in the leaner years. This might impact their bottom line less.
 
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