Pilots to strike if NWA imposes cuts

it's bout time!

edit: just to clarify... i mean it's bout time the union started getting over 50% of the voters out there! having a 90% + voter turnout is absolutely excellent and should show the NWA execs how serious this really is!
 
isnt that muder/sucicide? If they striked they would lose their jobs and would put the company in more than it is in now. Just wondering, but its a shame to see that happen to an airline.
 
n57flyguy said:
isnt that muder/sucicide? If they striked they would lose their jobs and would put the company in more than it is in now. Just wondering, but its a shame to see that happen to an airline.
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Murder/suicide??? Some may call it that, but there has to be a point where enough is enough. The mechanics struck and they basically lsot their jobs and have now been replaced. The airline will not be able to replace the pilots like that. If they do strike, there is a very good chance that the company will cease to exist. I was there the last time the pilots struck and it was not a very pleasant time.
 
JEP said:
Murder/suicide??? Some may call it that, but there has to be a point where enough is enough. The mechanics struck and they basically lsot their jobs and have now been replaced. The airline will not be able to replace the pilots like that. If they do strike, there is a very good chance that the company will cease to exist. I was there the last time the pilots struck and it was not a very pleasant time.
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I see, I do remember those strikes. That whole mechanic deal sucked to. I do realize that if they strike, the company will pretty much "cease to exist" Isnt that Muder/suicide? The airline is screwed and the pilots are jobless.
 
n57flyguy said:
I see, I do remember those strikes. That whole mechanic deal sucked to. I do realize that if they strike, the company will pretty much "cease to exist" Isnt that Muder/suicide? The airline is screwed and the pilots are jobless.
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It must be a job worth having. The responsibilities are too great and the overall job is too stressful. Many pilots feel that the job is no longer worth having at the proposed compensation levels. It's very challenging to get hired by a major airline. If an individual had the ambition to get hired by an airline...they most certainly will do well in other walks of life as well.
 
B767Driver said:
It must be a job worth having. The responsibilities are too great and the overall job is too stressful. Many pilots feel that the job is no longer worth having at the proposed compensation levels. It's very challenging to get hired by a major airline. If an individual had the ambition to get hired by an airline...they most certainly will do well in other walks of life as well.
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I really see now. I always make myself look stupid on these forums.
 
n57flyguy said:
I really see now. I always make myself look stupid on these forums.
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Ask away, that's what the forums are here for. As for being stupid, you know the saying......

the only stupid question is the one you don't ask.
 
n57flyguy said:
I see, I do remember those strikes. That whole mechanic deal sucked to. I do realize that if they strike, the company will pretty much "cease to exist" Isnt that Muder/suicide? The airline is screwed and the pilots are jobless.
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there is one thing to think about with the murder/suicide thing...is that if the pilots cease to have jobs.. they'll still have their backup careers (remember - get a degree in non-aviation) and even if they end up working at McD's -> they'd still be making about the same wage as NWA wanted them to (or close to that)...

There has to be a point where enough is enough and if pilots can find work outside of the field (esp at the wages of fast food), then in most cases, you have nothing to gain by not striking.
 
n57flyguy said:
I really see now. I always make myself look stupid on these forums.
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not really... but you are becoming more informed by the day now aren't you? that, in itself, should make you feel VERY good!!:nana2:

if nobody asked questions, the world would be perfect...but we don't live in a perfect world do we? so don't even hesitate to ask a question, even if you think it sounds dumb.
 
n57flyguy said:
Thats why I love these forums, but ive been so immature on some topics, people dont even want to talk to me. But he only way is to ask and not be dumb about it.

from the news desk.....http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/ap_on_bi_ge/airlines_labor
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No worries. Perhaps at one point in my life I may have even asked the same questions. However, once I became involved in the industry and saw first hand the hypocracy at an airline and the destruction of the airline pilot profession it tends to change your outlook on things. It's easy to say that saving a job is the best action because short term decisions are generally harder to make than long term ones. We all work incredibly hard to get where we are (if we are responsible about it...i.e. no PFJ), and we need to preserve the profession so that our career is worth all of our sacrifices. I believe this is the point that many have reached at NWA and DAL. The press will report their actions as irresponsible but that's probably from the passenger's standpoint as they are the ones inconvenienced which is unfortunate but sadly is the only way to to go about it.
 
not only that, but i'm hoping it'll give the DAL execs a little whiplash too as to what could end up at their airline! we had 80% at the last vote, i bet we'd have much more support this time round.
 
n57flyguy said:
I really see now. I always make myself look stupid on these forums.
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Lol. Search my posts from 1-2 years ago. It's completely normal. I had enough flaming to cause me to quit, but did I? Heck no.

We're glad to have you here.:)
 
A job worth having? WTF? I understand that the job conditions have to be workable but what do you say to your wife and kids..

'Hey there honey, lost my job today'

You have to analyze the risks v. rewards very carefully!
 
I didn't follow the situation with the mechanics too well but when they went on strike why didn't the pilots strike too?

Remember that old line about when the nazis come to take groups away no one said anything because it wasn't their problem. Well, when the nazis come to take the last group away there will be no one around to say anything.

Seems like this might be the scenerio we have here?
 
meritflyer said:
You have to analyze the risks v. rewards very carefully!
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What do you do for work now?

Let's say they said, we're cutting your pay by 50 percent and taking away your pension. Oh, yeah, and we're going to raise your copays and your insurance premiums, too. By the way, when we're done, you'll make more working at Home Depot.

What would you do? Just smile, bend over and lube up?
 
meritflyer said:
A job worth having? WTF? I understand that the job conditions have to be workable but what do you say to your wife and kids..

'Hey there honey, lost my job today'

You have to analyze the risks v. rewards very carefully!
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I understand you have to analyze the situation carefully...but you tell me - take a look at what NWA is being paid now...and the concession that mgmt wants.. then come back and tell us how you think your wife/kids would react (if you had them)....

Keep in mind that you've already given up to possibly 50% of your salary, some work rules and other items that add to your (technically) salary.. this time, they want your pension (which could be thousands of dollars) and another ?% of your salary plus maybe decrease in per diem, vacation and worst of all - to end your union contract... who knows what else (if anyone can find me the information - this could be a really good "problem solver" challenge)....add to that a schedule of 4 days on, 3 days off...working mostly weekends because your seniority isn't quite high enough since the airline hasn't been hiring...add to that..your wife is a stay at home mom, your son's birthday is coming up but your working that day AND your daughter has a recital that you promised to go to but scheduling just called you in due to reverse callup (calling from high seniority down) and you, being a dummyhead, picked up the phone...

if you think of anything else that should be added to the situation, go ahead..

then analyze the whole effect and you tell me whether it'd be worth it to lose a total of possibly 75% of your pay + pension (+ whatever other scope clauses there are) yet keep a "job" or to at least try to take a position and STFD with your pilot brothers/sisters so that you and your family can enjoy the fruits of your labor by having good scope, work rules and pay (not to mention that union contract!!! which is extremely important)!

keep in mind that another 25% loss in salary + FULL loss of pension would mean that your wife would have to go back to work and children would have to go to daycare or all day school (not old enough yet for regular school)...

I mean why should we who have been in the industry so long keep trying to help you understand when really, it'd be pretty easy to do your own research and come to a conclusion based on the facts of the situation?

I'd be interested to know what you come up with! :)
 
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