Pilotage/Dead Rec

jhugz said:
He is doing it without any Nav-Aids or GPS. They are there strictly for SA. The way it should be. Good job.
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Turn them to the O-F-F position then.......

......IF you're confident in the preplanning and ability.
 
TXaviator said:
i gotta say, as a guy on the road who is NEVER at a "home airport"... GPS is a lifesaving tool for me, keeping my butt from busting all kinds of airspaces and such.

if i had paper copies of every chart of where i fly, my plane would be over max gross.
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OH come on - I bet you're collecting for that full US sectional map like the rest of us :insane:.
 
One of the last "just for the hell of it" flights I took was an old school cross country. Compass, watch, everything (comms included) turned off.

Most fun I'd had in an airplane in years.

Now I can barely get someplace VFR and can't remember the last time I wasn't on a clearance.
 
sdfcvoh said:
OH come on - I bet you're collecting for that full US sectional map like the rest of us :insane:.
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id do that if i had an apartment or somewhere i lived.

i think the housekeepers at the hotels would get annoyed with the holes in the wall though.
 
Flying a 152 with that standard old panel from the early 80s will get your dead rec skills up;)

I try to work on my dead rec skills as much as I can. It is nice to have the proficiency to get around without the help of the gps. Then when the time comes that you get into an airplane with a GPS, you feel like you are super well equipped, even if it is a simple gps.
 
Muff3n said:
Flying a 152 with that standard old panel from the early 80s will get your dead rec skills up;)

I try to work on my dead rec skills as much as I can. It is nice to have the proficiency to get around without the help of the gps. Then when the time comes that you get into an airplane with a GPS, you feel like you are super well equipped, even if it is a simple gps.
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I used to time build for my Commercial in a 150/152. I would go from CLE to CHI. You had to dead rec because if you tried to use the VOR the only time you had any clue where you were at was station passage.
 
jhugz said:
I used to time build for my Commercial in a 150/152. I would go from CLE to CHI. You had to dead rec because if you tried to use the VOR the only time you had any clue where you were at was station passage.
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or a timer....

or cross radials off a diff VOR...

;)
 
We have 430's in all our planes except one. Guess which one I was scheduled in for the Comm ME long XC? The first half...no big deal , it was the central valley CA. The second half transversed the Los Angeles basin/Bravo and they weren't being helpful at all that day.

I did 99% of my training sans GPS, my student had never been without. It was good to rediscover you CAN get from A to B without the Star Wars tech and all you need is a clock, compass and vor.
 
jhugz said:
I used to time build for my Commercial in a 150/152. I would go from CLE to CHI. You had to dead rec because if you tried to use the VOR the only time you had any clue where you were at was station passage.
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I know exactly what you mean. I am actually going to do a VOR test on the one I fly next time I go to the field. It also only has 1 nav and 1 comm. It is a good way to persuade somebody to buy a handheld radio just in case ;)
 
vikingair said:
We have 430's in all our planes except one. Guess which one I was scheduled in for the Comm ME long XC? The first half...no big deal , it was the central valley CA. The second half transversed the Los Angeles basin/Bravo and they weren't being helpful at all that day.

I did 99% of my training sans GPS, my student had never been without. It was good to rediscover you CAN get from A to B without the Star Wars tech and all you need is a clock, compass and vor.
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I know a guy or two who is old enough to think we're wusses for using VOR :D
 
Erik1010 said:
Utilize the resources available to you. :)

If I'm familiar with the area I don't even turn on the GPS, but if I'm unfamiliar, I normally turn on the GPS for range reference.
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Same here. Usually after a flight or two in an area I'm usually comfortable enough to just break out the chart and follow a road or calculate a rough heading based on some landmarks. Or I get really radical and use a VOR or NDB (assuming the airplane has an ADF) to navigate with.
 
I just have to be the devil's advocate here.

Guys, it's okay to use stuff like GPS. If there's a $15,000 piece of equipment mounted on your dash, ignoring it completely while looking for the tree next to the power line next to the dry pond is kind of silly. Plug it in the box! Keep a proper idea of where you are, but really, GPS is a wonderful tool. I've done many many Part 135 passenger legs under VFR, and if I have a GPS, hooo boy. Direct-enter-enter, sucka.

Now, if you're learning, yeah, turn it off. But if you've already proven that you can fill out a nav log, spot that tree next to the power line next to the dry pond, and find your way with a stopwatch, well, letting technology help a little is fine.

And yes, I'm a bad bad man.
 
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