Pilot slots UND AFROTC
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A while back I asked this question of Gen Myers, who I've known since he was a Ltc in 1980. For anyone interested in flying fighters in the airforce the first route is attending the af academy and graduating near the top of your class, followed by attending any other university/college rotc program and earning a degree in math, science or engineering.
Your goal can be achieved in other ways, it just happens these are the ways we discussed, since I'm working with a young man who would like to secure an appointment to the academy in 2011.
UND's ROTC Capt or Commander will know the percentage of cadets that have received flight training slots, and I'm sure they will inform you of how competitive it is to secure one of those slots. So my suggestion would be to go ahead and contact them now, so your getting first hand info.
Your goal can be achieved in other ways, it just happens these are the ways we discussed, since I'm working with a young man who would like to secure an appointment to the academy in 2011.
UND's ROTC Capt or Commander will know the percentage of cadets that have received flight training slots, and I'm sure they will inform you of how competitive it is to secure one of those slots. So my suggestion would be to go ahead and contact them now, so your getting first hand info.
Prior enlisted and OTS baby, with a non-tech degree and a 2.45 GPA here. None of this engineering crap or colorado school for wayward boys needed.......
drunkenbeagle
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Prior enlisted and OTS baby, with a non-tech degree and a 2.45 GPA here. None of this engineering crap or colorado school for wayward boys needed.......
Electrical Engineering major here, had a full 4 year AFROTC scholarship (had to keep a 3.something GPA, don't remember exactly).
Most of us did not want pilot slots at the time, and as I remember, everyone that wanted one got one. But it was an engineering school, so we all had technical majors and very high AFOQT scores.
As was mentioned before, talk to the detachment commander. They are all knowledgeable, and unlike recruiters, have zero incentive to mislead you.
Thanks for all the responses. I'm just getting info for my son.
We are looking at all options. Aviation U, all civilian, enlist at ANG unit
Marine PLC, ROTC, etc.
I was former civilian, 2 year aviation cc and CFI while wrapping up a degree.
Commuter Airline than major.
I was lucky with my timing.
For you young CFI's or students, hang in there. The corner may be turning on hiring combined with retirements .
My airline is looking to start hiring again.
It's been bad the last 4 years.
We are looking at all options. Aviation U, all civilian, enlist at ANG unit
Marine PLC, ROTC, etc.
I was former civilian, 2 year aviation cc and CFI while wrapping up a degree.
Commuter Airline than major.
I was lucky with my timing.
For you young CFI's or students, hang in there. The corner may be turning on hiring combined with retirements .
My airline is looking to start hiring again.
It's been bad the last 4 years.
challenger
New Member
Okay, I will start this off by the insight that I have, so before people begin flaming me; read what I am saying, it is nothing about my opinion of UND.
When I was in AFROTC at UND, the cadre suggested that I major in something that where I am not spending that extra money, because it will not make a huge difference in selection. GPA matters a lot more then major. From what I have heard, even if you major in Mechanical Engineering, and request a slot, you are likely to be put into that field unless you have an absolutely amazing GPA and all of the other requirements.
UND AFROTC does claim to have a high selection rate for slots, for people who are qualified. Through talking to a bunch of people in the AFROTC det. at the school I am transferring to (UMD) there was only a couple people in their class that did not get pilot slots that fit the requirements. Also, it varies from year to year and there is no end all, your going to get it situation.
The best thing to do is get your PPL and be extremely involved in the Det. 50% of your chance of getting a slot depends on what your commander ranks you as out of the entire Det. But it all comes down to the needs of the Air Force, so if they do not need pilots, be prepared to give at least 4 years in something else.
I went into it with the wrong attitude, but now I have shifted my attitude where if I am allowed to go back in as soon as I am transferred to school here and they are willing to give me a shot at AFROTC again; my goal is to be an officer and try as hard as I can to earn a slot. I hung out with a bunch of newly commissioned 2LT's this summer and found that they are the group of people I want to be around in college and after as well. I jumped the gun too early and hung out with a bunch of people with no direction in life instead of toughing it out and getting to know some people from ROTC outside of it. A lot of it is nonsensical and tough, but it is worth it if ones head is in the right place. I am kicking myself now for leaving ROTC, but I have the hope that I can get back on track and at least earn a commission.
Make sure if he go towards it, that he is are prepared to do whatever job is given to him and if he does not get a slot, then he can always apply after being in the Air Force for a few years (I think the minimum is 2 years, before a person can apply, I might be wrong). That was my major flaw and I have now realized what is most important to me, commissioning.
I honestly reject the idea, that just because you get a degree in Commercial Aviation at UND, you are more likely to get a slot. I know of a guy there that spent the money, and ended up getting a Nav slot. I also know of several people at UMD that were Communications majors that ended up getting Pilot slots.
Its all part of an equation of multiple factors, so there is no guarantee ever for anyone (Unless of course if they meet the minimums at the Academy)
Once again, don't flame; this is just what information I have gathered.
When I was in AFROTC at UND, the cadre suggested that I major in something that where I am not spending that extra money, because it will not make a huge difference in selection. GPA matters a lot more then major. From what I have heard, even if you major in Mechanical Engineering, and request a slot, you are likely to be put into that field unless you have an absolutely amazing GPA and all of the other requirements.
UND AFROTC does claim to have a high selection rate for slots, for people who are qualified. Through talking to a bunch of people in the AFROTC det. at the school I am transferring to (UMD) there was only a couple people in their class that did not get pilot slots that fit the requirements. Also, it varies from year to year and there is no end all, your going to get it situation.
The best thing to do is get your PPL and be extremely involved in the Det. 50% of your chance of getting a slot depends on what your commander ranks you as out of the entire Det. But it all comes down to the needs of the Air Force, so if they do not need pilots, be prepared to give at least 4 years in something else.
I went into it with the wrong attitude, but now I have shifted my attitude where if I am allowed to go back in as soon as I am transferred to school here and they are willing to give me a shot at AFROTC again; my goal is to be an officer and try as hard as I can to earn a slot. I hung out with a bunch of newly commissioned 2LT's this summer and found that they are the group of people I want to be around in college and after as well. I jumped the gun too early and hung out with a bunch of people with no direction in life instead of toughing it out and getting to know some people from ROTC outside of it. A lot of it is nonsensical and tough, but it is worth it if ones head is in the right place. I am kicking myself now for leaving ROTC, but I have the hope that I can get back on track and at least earn a commission.
Make sure if he go towards it, that he is are prepared to do whatever job is given to him and if he does not get a slot, then he can always apply after being in the Air Force for a few years (I think the minimum is 2 years, before a person can apply, I might be wrong). That was my major flaw and I have now realized what is most important to me, commissioning.
I honestly reject the idea, that just because you get a degree in Commercial Aviation at UND, you are more likely to get a slot. I know of a guy there that spent the money, and ended up getting a Nav slot. I also know of several people at UMD that were Communications majors that ended up getting Pilot slots.
Its all part of an equation of multiple factors, so there is no guarantee ever for anyone (Unless of course if they meet the minimums at the Academy)
Once again, don't flame; this is just what information I have gathered.
Hacker15e
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Can you expand on this? What happened?
challenger
New Member
Nothing, major. I just was not at the top of my game and was struggling with priority issues, that led to attendance issues. But, I was not kicked out, I left on my own accord. I was trying to juggle ROTC, 17 credits, and a 30 hour a week job, which was a stupid idea. After taking time to reflect and grow up some, I am just hoping they will give me a shot at UMD when I transfer in either this spring or fall. The move away from Grand Forks has been the best possible thing I could have done for myself.
flyeagle111
CFO
I just met with the Det recently to talk with them. Two of the officers told me that they try to convince cadets NOT to do the commerical aviation degree. It is a waste of money because they hold no focus on the degree and you will learn to fly the Air Force way. As long as you have a good GPA, good PT scores, and good commander ranking (show leadership potential), you should get what you want. He said the selection rate usually hovers around 70% for pilot. If you slack off, expect not to get what you want.