pilot punished for YouTube video

Whistleblower, BAD! I mean GOOD! Or BAD! Wait, huh? :)

Generally good...they point out things that are wrong, point out abuses of the system, or deficiencies.

Unless you're the one with something to hide, in which case whistleblowers are annoying and potentially dangerous. Did I mention terrorists and definitely not entitled to any protections? :sarcasm:
 
2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/airline_pilot_youtube_video_airport_security_TSA_203849-1.html

Officials earlier this month asked a Federal Flight Deck Officer to surrender his sidearm after the airline pilot posted videos to YouTube describing airport security practices and in which he declared, "as you can see [...] it's only smoke and mirrors... ." In the videos, the pilot compares the security measures faced by passengers and flight crew with those faced by airline ground crew. He details that passengers and flight crew must remove their shoes and pass through metal detectors, and may be subjected to further screening. Meanwhile, says the pilot, ground crew swipe a magnetized card to access restricted areas that could in turn give them intimate access to baggage, aircraft, or both. The pilot also shows tools available to all cockpit crew after passing through airport metal detectors and states, "I would say a two-foot crash axe looks a lot more formidable than a box cutter." The footage was posted Nov. 28, in a series of six videos, and has since been removed from YouTube at the request of the pilot's employer, which has not taken any other action against the pilot. The TSA has offered a significantly different reaction.
On Dec. 6, the pilot received a letter from the TSA stating that "an administrative review into your deputation status as a Federal Flight Deck Officer has been initiated," according to ABC news. The letter contends the pilot "may have violated regulations concerning disclosure of sensitive security information." The government sent six people to the pilot's house to retrieve his firearm, according to ABC. The pilot has retained a lawyer and may face civil penalties from the TSA. According to the pilot, "as you can see, airport security is kind of a farce. It's only smoke and mirrors so you people believe there is actually something going on here."
OK, fine, revoke his FFDO privileges. But sending the Brute Squad to take the gun FROM HIS HOME? Where are we living, people?
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

My bad. Mods, merge as you see fit. But seriously, HOW is it legal to confiscate a firearm from a law-abiding citizen? I hope the TSA gets taken to the cleaners on this one.
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

Merged.

On the topic, there's a lot of stuff I've seen, know and whatnot about our state of security in the US aviation system. But like hell I think it's prudent to post it on the internet! :)

Within my constitutional rights? Prudent? Doubtful.

Besides, that FFDO firearm is probably the program's not his personal weapon. But that's my presumption.

There are a number of security-sensitive parts of, for example, my Flight OPerations Manual. The government can't arrest me, AFAIK, for talking about issues that my employer told me not to, but that doesn't preclude my employer from firing me for breaching opsec for discussing what they did not want discussed.
 
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Besides, that FFDO firearm is probably the program's not his personal weapon. But that's my presumption.
Ah. That would explain it.

Does not take away from the fact that airport security is smoke and mirrors, theater, a farce... we could go on.
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

As is the banking system, many religions, our understanding of certain holidays, medicine, interpersonal relationships, the science behind frozen concentrated orange juice, UNIX, Shimano Deore XT derailleurs and granola!
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

Though there are good TSA employees, the TSA in and of itself is a bloated organization that has become self-sustaining and self serving; created as window dressing post-9/11 along with the Department of Homeland Security....window dressing in the same manner as National Guardsmen at the airport with empty rifles. Both being bureaucratic organizations brought about in due to the public's cry to "do something!", regardless of how worthless that something would be.

While TSA is busy treating passengers like they're checking into prison at checkpoints, and worse....treating flight crews like they're all the next Egypt Air 990 co-pilot in the making; the airport isn't even the place where a terrorist could knock down a plane. Hell, not even the perimeter or parking lots/garages, where planespotter and photographers are being checked out just for simply being there.

Take PHX for instance. Surrounded by high mountains on the east (McDowells), south (South and the Estrellas and San Tans to the southeast), west (White Tanks), and smaller mountains to the north (west of Black Canyon City area); these are all prime places to shoot down an airliner if one wanted to. With the exception of South Mountain, all of them are fairly in the middle of nowhere and anywhere from 20nm to 60nm from the KPHX itself. Spend one night observing the arrivals in-line with their landing lights on the various STARs feeding into the field, and you'll see that many pass right over these mountains. If a crew with a couple of MANPAD shoulder launched missiles wanted to, they could climb the McDowells or nearby in the middle of nowhere, thus closing the distance between themselves and descending traffic on, say, the JESSE, EAGUL or BUNTR STARs to just a few thousand feet. Wait til dusk so no one can see the smoke trail, and pop an airliner. If the airliner goes down, it'll be far and away from their location and thats where emergency services will respond to anyway, leaving the team free to escape into the night. Same could be done from the southeast on the SUNNS/KOOLY arrivals or the west on the BLYTHE or MAIER arrivals. And ALL the TSA screening and treating of pax/crew like prisoners checking into San Quentin wouldn't do a damn thing to protect against this. Hell if they wanted to, they could probably knock two or three airliners down in two or three different places at darn-near the same time in a 9/11-style coordinated attack. Imagine the damage that'd cause to the industry, part and parcel from the immediate damage that would be caused from just the attack itself....

Think its far-fetched? Well so was the thought of getting 4 airliners hijacked, damaging the Pentagon and toppling both WTCs 1/2 on September 10th of 2001, had anyone voiced the idea.

Point is, we're looking in the wrong place at the airport security line and the field perimeter. I'm not saying leave them unsecured, I'm saying pay attention to the more plausible areas, and go after the REAL threats. And that isn't the flying public and the crews who fly them......
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

Oh hai u guyz, it's OK! According to a press release from the airport, "The video shows a door with a card swipe and suggests that access is gained to the airfield area through this door. In fact, the door shown in the video provides access only to an employee lunchroom" (although they didn't provide any evidence to demonstrate this or anything ... you know, because we trust their authority and competence implicitly at this point ... I didn't really get what was so offensive in the clip the news showed anyway).

So The Noid has been making Leeeeeroy's pizza cold and this guy comes along and shows the whole world where he's been hiding it since. That's why they took his piece.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/12/25/california.tsa.pilot/
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

Oh hai u guyz, it's OK! According to a press release from the airport, "The video shows a door with a card swipe and suggests that access is gained to the airfield area through this door. In fact, the door shown in the video provides access only to an employee lunchroom" (although they didn't provide any evidence to demonstrate this or anything ... you know, because we trust their authority and competence implicitly at this point ... I didn't really get what was so offensive in the clip the news showed anyway).

So The Noid has been making Leeeeeroy's pizza cold and this guy comes along and shows the whole world where he's been hiding it since. That's why they took his piece.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/12/25/california.tsa.pilot/
Keeps getting better.
 
I'm wondering how long till the general public becomes really fed up. I personally know one person who won't fly airlines anymore because of the TSA regs and is renting planes to go long distances.
 
Mike, you make too much sense.

The public will endure it until enough individuals personally experience firsthand the injustice. The govt is probably trying very hard to avoid achieving that critical mass. It would be like redlining an engine...you can take it right up to the mark and even hold it there...just don't exceed.
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

Oh hai u guyz, it's OK! According to a press release from the airport, "The video shows a door with a card swipe and suggests that access is gained to the airfield area through this door. In fact, the door shown in the video provides access only to an employee lunchroom" (although they didn't provide any evidence to demonstrate this or anything ... you know, because we trust their authority and competence implicitly at this point ... I didn't really get what was so offensive in the clip the news showed anyway).

So The Noid has been making Leeeeeroy's pizza cold and this guy comes along and shows the whole world where he's been hiding it since. That's why they took his piece.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/12/25/california.tsa.pilot/



Yea Totally a Lunchroom Door...Bwahahahaha
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety, deserve neither.- Benjamin Franklin

Being a rampy in college can teach you about airport operations and how much of a "mirage" it actually is.. Treat the problem, don't mask the effects.
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

Two things:

First, does the gov't and the public, for that matter, really thing that sending a pilot (or flight engineer, ref. FEDEX out of MEM about 8 maybe 10 years ago) through security is going to stop them from taking that plane out of the air, come on, TSA can't remote fly the plane.

Second, Air Traffic Controllers going through security check points to get into work... really? Okay, I understand if you want to stop a controller from hurting other controllers got that. But you really think that a security point is going to stop an ATC from doing what he/she wants until someone manages to unplug them?

Just some scary thoughts. My thoughts are strictly mine and do not in any way, shape or form, reflect those of any organization or individuals that I have contact with.
 
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First off I'd like to say that the TSA is going overboard on how this is being handled. Especially with the gun. But having seen the youtube videos before they were taken down, I don't feel all that sorry for this guy.

Everyone at SFO is pretty pissed about this because we're afraid of the knee-jerk outcome. Basically he's complaining that he has to go thru security to go to work at SFO yet I, as a gate agent, get to enter a special code into a door where I then have to scan my badge AND my hand...twice. But of course he makes it seem as if its as easy as knowing a code and getting into the secure area. Guess when I do have to go thru security? Everytime I travel, just like anybody else. Customer Service agents, Wheelchair agents, and many other employees are back and fourth between the secure and unsecured areas constantly. It wouldn't make any sense for them to line up every time they're coming back from an issue at baggage claim or the lobby or what not. It's not like I get any special privileges as a passenger. I can't bring liquids thru security, and I take my shoes off too. Not to mention they require me to show a standby card everytime I travel, I can't just get thru with my badge when I have luggage on me.

I'm sure every airport has its "cracks", but why put them out there for the wrong people to see? SFO is a very, very secure airport, I get challenged for my SIDA anytime I'm on the ramp and my badge holder flips around to the Skywest ID. You wouldn't be able to get far at all without being stopped.

And it is true, he did show a badge swipe that lead to a break room. OMGZ you can poison our lunches!
 
Re: 2nd Amendment? Not if you videotape TSA.

First off I'd like to say that the TSA is going overboard on how this is being handled. Especially with the gun. But having seen the youtube videos before they were taken down, I don't feel all that sorry for this guy.

Everyone at SFO is pretty pissed about this because we're afraid of the knee-jerk outcome. Basically he's complaining that he has to go thru security to go to work at SFO yet I, as a gate agent, get to enter a special code into a door where I then have to scan my badge AND my hand...twice. But of course he makes it seem as if its as easy as knowing a code and getting into the secure area. Guess when I do have to go thru security? Everytime I travel, just like anybody else. Customer Service agents, Wheelchair agents, and many other employees are back and fourth between the secure and unsecured areas constantly. It wouldn't make any sense for them to line up every time they're coming back from an issue at baggage claim or the lobby or what not. It's not like I get any special privileges as a passenger. I can't bring liquids thru security, and I take my shoes off too. Not to mention they require me to show a standby card everytime I travel, I can't just get thru with my badge when I have luggage on me.

I'm sure every airport has its "cracks", but why put them out there for the wrong people to see? SFO is a very, very secure airport, I get challenged for my SIDA anytime I'm on the ramp and my badge holder flips around to the Skywest ID. You wouldn't be able to get far at all without being stopped.

And it is true, he did show a badge swipe that lead to a break room. OMGZ you can poison our lunches!
That's exactly the point! Who's to say a terrorist wouldn't gain employment being a gate agent and carry something under his/her clothes to get on a plane. If the pilots have to go through security, why not everyone that gets into the secure area? Either give the pilots the same access or make everyone go through.
 
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