Pilot Pay:(

fholbert said:
The United pilot complained the company was trying to break their union.

~When Flight Attendants went of strike ALPA filed a papers with the court to force Flight Attendants back to work.

~When Baggage Handlers went on strike ALPA pilots scabbed and loaded their own baggage.

~When Air Traffic Controllers went on strike ALPA publicly sided with the Government and FAA management.

Pilots broke their own union but are too stupid to see that.

ALPA made their bed. Now shut up and sleep in it.
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29 years later and you're still looking for someone to blame?

"After that I didn't fly much until 2004 when I jumped back in with both feet getting current then buying the plane I have now."

Sorry Frank, but sounds to me like you've never been an ALPA pilot and really just have no clue what you're talking about.

ALPA has done more to foster safety in aviation over your lifetime than any other organization. You benefit every day flying your Bellanca from efforts that ALPA has made though it's efforts with regulators and manufacturers.

Every union in the world has made strategic mistakes on the industrial side of which I'd say PATCO is the posterchild (followed a close second by the UAW).

Get over it.
 
Everyone likes to focus on the first year pay as though that is the only salary a pilot will ever receive. It goes up pretty quickly and pretty significantly after one year.

Are you sure you want Michael Moore-on pleading your case for you?
 
skydog2 said:
Everyone likes to focus on the first year pay as though that is the only salary a pilot will ever receive. It goes up pretty quickly and pretty significantly after one year.

Are you sure you want Michael Moore-on pleading your case for you?
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I just wish people would focus on the schedules more. How is working 0455-1500 on day one and 1300-2300 on day 2 considered safe? This goes against every single sleep study out there, yet regionals have made it the norm.
 
goes up pretty quickly and pretty significantly after one year.
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Yeeeah right. There isn't anywhere to go with salary except up with your starting at 18K a year. But pilots get to do your dream job and not sit behind a desk right? <sarcasm>

As far as MM pleading the pilots case. Aside from him and Sully I don't see any passengers, media or anyone else asking for pilots to get higher wages. So I wouldn't worry about MM having an effect on this industry.
Like the united pilot shown in the video said management knows pilots love to fly and the companies love to union bust. Nature of the beast. Why worry about it? bottom line is the consumer is looking for the best deal and not worried about how much the two people up front are being paid. Sad but true...
 
Its not sad at all. If you look at the resumes stacked on Colgan's desk you'll understand that the regional salaries are justified.
 
skydog2 said:
Everyone likes to focus on the first year pay as though that is the only salary a pilot will ever receive. It goes up pretty quickly and pretty significantly after one year.

Are you sure you want Michael Moore-on pleading your case for you?
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Really? Hmmm, I'll have to talk to flight pay about that.
 
Trip7 said:
Its not sad at all. If you look at the resumes stacked on Colgan's desk you'll understand that the regional salaries are justified.
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I know I'm going to get slammed for this, but just because there are unemployed pilots that need a job, that is justification for paying them less than the guy at Mcdonald's?

Pay shouldn't be based on the number of resume's on your desk, but maybe responsibility and skillset should be in the equation as to what is "justified".

I know I know, if you don't like the pay, don't apply.

Also, before anyone asks, no I wouldn't like to pay someone more than I had to, to get a job done. But maybe if safety and my reputation were on the line, I guess you "get what you pay for".
 
This industry wont be fixed until there is a higher minimum for getting in the door... IMO 1500 is a great number.
 
IslandFlyer said:
but just because there are unemployed pilots that need a job, that is justification for paying them less than the guy at Mcdonald's?
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Yes, that's exactly how it works in capitalism. There's no justification required -- the market sets the wages.
 
IslandFlyer said:
Pay shouldn't be based on the number of resume's on your desk, but maybe responsibility and skillset should be in the equation as to what is "justified".
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Unfortunately pay will always be based on the number of resumes on the desk. There is absolutely no motivation to raise pay when you have tons of guys lining up to play airline pilot.

Hopefully experience will become mandatory, then we will see less resumes on the desk.
 
All those points are valid everyone is mentioning. As long as people line up for the job there is no incentive to raise pay. Additionally, I believe raising mins to 1500 would not raise pay. Just like RJ courses were created during good times to lower mins, some of the puppy mills will probably just create time building programs. People will still line up and take huge loans to get their "dream job". Airlines aren't going to care where you built your time. Remember who we are talking about here. Companies that work their employees hard, cut their pay, pad their bonuses and oversell tickets on purpose. Does anyone actually expect them to act ethically and raise pilot pay?
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