Pilot-Fatigue amendment may reduce safety

I think you underestimate the power of the all mighty dollar...Elected officials answer to their constituents, both private and corporate. Individually, your points are valid. Any person in their right mind, even an airline CEO, would be willing to stand beside you with their proverbial saber raised in support of your position. But as a whole, that individual devotion to rationale becomes vastly overpowered by our little green rectangular paper friends, mob rule and group mentality takes control. And my friend, the mob wants cheap airfare!
 
I think you underestimate the power of the all mighty dollar...Elected officials answer to their constituents, both private and corporate. Individually, your points are valid. Any person in their right mind, even an airline CEO, would be willing to stand beside you with their proverbial saber raised in support of your position. But as a whole, that individual devotion to rationale becomes vastly overpowered by our little green rectangular paper friends, mob rule and group mentality takes control. And my friend, the mob wants cheap airfare!

*shrugs* I think you give up and assume the worst too easily. You'll never know unless you try.

True story: I was in my union MEC chairman's office the other day doin' a little paperwork, and I saw an old copy of ALPA's monthly rag. It was from August, 2001, and had an Eagle tail ERJ on the cover. I flipped through it.

The editorial on the inside of the cover? A diatribe cursing those that had rolled over and forced the airline industry to accept 16 hour duty days because it took too much effort to develop a better plan. Previously, in 1995, NASA did a study on the effects of fatigue on short-haul commuter operations. Meanwhile, it's taken 10 to 15 years (depending on how you slice it) to get anything done. What'd it take? 50 fresh graves, and a few signs pointing to many others.

The time is ripe for change, and eventually, everybody has to realize that something has to give. The industry was allowed to run wild via regional airline expansion, and now hard science dictates how we rein it in.

Change *is* coming. Life flying, surfing, chasing skirts (or any other thing I like to do), I know that's not a done deal until you're done, and you've got to stay with it every step of the way. This is all just part of the process.
 
Does anyone remember this story about the Kalitta crash in Cuba? The pilot's were fatigued which resulted in this accident?

Flight 808 took off from Norfolk at 14:13 for a cargo flight to Guantanamo Bay. The flight and arrival into the Guantanamo terminal area was uneventful. At 16:34, while the flight was descending from FL320, radio contact was established with the Guantanamo radar controller. The radar controller instructed flight 808 to maintain VFR 12miles off the Cuban coast and report at East Point. The runway in use was runway 10. The flight crew then requested a runway 28 approach, but changed this back to a runway 10 approach a couple of minutes later.
Clearance was given at 16:46 with wind reported at 200deg./7 knots. The runway 10 threshold was located 0,75mile East of Cuban airspace, designated by a strobe light, mounted on a Marine Corps guard tower, located at the corner of the Cuban border and the shoreline. On the day of the accident, the strobe light was not operational (both controller and flight crew were not aware of this). The aircraft was approached from the south and was making a right turn for runway 10 with an increasing angle of bank in order to align with the runway. At 200-300 feet agl the wings started to rock towards wings level and the nose pitched up. The right wing appeared to stall, the aircraft rolled to 90deg. angle of bank and the nose pitched down. The aircraft then struck level terrain 1400 feet west of the approach end of the runway and 200 feet north of the extended centreline.

PROBABLE CAUSES: "The impaired judgement, decision-making, and flying abilities of the captain and flight crew due to the effects of fatigue; the captain's failure to properly assess the conditions for landing and maintaining vigilant situational awareness of the airplane while manoeuvring onto final approach; his failure to prevent the loss of airspeed and avoid a stall while in the steep bank turn; and his failure to execute immediate action to recover from a stall.
Additional factors contributing to the cause were the inadequacy of the flight and duty time regulations applied to 14 CFR, Part 121, Supplemental Air Carrier, international operations, and the circumstances that resulted in the extended flight/duty hours and fatigue of the flight crew members. Also contributing were the inadequate crew resource management training and the inadequate training and guidance by American International Airways, Inc., to the flight crew for operations at special airports such as Guantanamo Bay; and the Navy's failure to provide a system that would assure that local tower controller was aware of the inoperative strobe light so as to provide the flight crew with such information."
 
It's not the fight. It's the battlefield you are trying to recruit me to fight on...

You are asking an army of pilots armed with muskets firing "will and legitimate concerns of safety" to charge uphill from the desert to face an enemy coming at us downhill from the forest armed with Howitzers firing "money". It's not a fight we are going to win.

If you are waiting for legislators to "do the right thing" you'll be waiting a long long time.

We need to identify the weakness of our enemy and attack from a better position. What is the real problem here..The rules, or the pilots willing to fly under them?
 
It's not the fight. It's the battlefield you are trying to recruit me to fight on...

You are asking an army of pilots armed with muskets firing "will and legitimate concerns of safety" to charge uphill from the desert to face an enemy coming at us downhill from the forest armed with Howitzers firing "money". It's not a fight we are going to win.

If you are waiting for legislators to "do the right thing" you'll be waiting a long long time.

We need to identify the weakness of our enemy and attack from a better position. What is the real problem here..The rules, or the pilots willing to fly under them?


Only the spirit of attack borne in a brave heart will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.​
— General Adolf Galland, Luftwaffe.
 
Germany lost the war Holmes...

"The skillful warrior attacks so that the enemy cannot defend; the warrior defends so that the enemy cannot attack."

Sun-tzu
 
Germany lost the war Holmes...

"The skillful warrior attacks so that the enemy cannot defend; the warrior defends so that the enemy cannot attack."

Sun-tzu

Germany lost the war because Hitler wouldn't let his generals run the show.

Sun-tzu is dead. They're all dead.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
- Darth Vader
 
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