Pilot Credentials "total time" discrepancy

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Just me or have folks noticed that Pilot Credentials website does NOT have a dual-received column. My time, for whatever reason, from my electronic logbook, logged as SIC and Dual Received, when exported over to PC, just gets counted as SIC.

This "artificially inflates" my Pilot Credentials total time by about +200 hours.

Big deal ? Explain at the interview? It is all piston instruction received Private pilot, IFR ticket stuff.

I could delete it but my logbook would look goofy, I think.
 
your TT is the same, regardless. Depending on where you are looking, they care about PIC, SIC and not other specific flight hour types. Can you not change it at this point, i.e. already published and sent a fix it letter? To be clear, is it summing a (for example) 1.5 hr flight that you were legally PIC for as a PP, as 1.5 PIC and 1.5 dual now as SIC, which is artificially logging a 3.0 for a 1.5 flight? Is that the situation?
 
///AMG said:
your TT is the same, regardless. Depending on where you are looking, they care about PIC, SIC and not other specific flight hour types. Can you not change it at this point, i.e. already published and sent a fix it letter? To be clear, is it summing a (for example) 1.5 hr flight that you were legally PIC for as a PP, as 1.5 PIC and 1.5 dual now as SIC, which is artificially logging a 3.0 for a 1.5 flight? Is that the situation?
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I'm gonna go on a limb here and say this is probably what is happening. I have plenty of time logged as both PIC and Dual Received (not 200 hours) in my logbook, but it has to be input as SIC to keep everything cool in the Pilot Credentials and Airlineapps experience grids. None of that PIC/Dual is the type of PIC that employers want you to count as PIC anyways.

And yeah, we all know that dual received doesn't fit the definition of SIC in almost any airplane, but that's how it's put together.
 
Flyinthrew said:
I'm gonna go on a limb here and say this is probably what is happening. I have plenty of time logged as both PIC and Dual Received (not 200 hours) in my logbook, but it has to be input as SIC to keep everything cool in the Pilot Credentials and Airlineapps experience grids. None of that PIC/Dual is the type of PIC that employers want you to count as PIC anyways.

And yeah, we all know that dual received doesn't fit the definition of SIC in almost any airplane, but that's how it's put together.
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I wasn't sure what to do about this either so I just went back and removed the time because I wasn't technically "sic". Glad someone asked.
 
My total time is 5700 if you removed dual-received time (piston stuff from 20 years ago, C-152 lessons, IFR lessons, etc). My total time is 5900 if you include dual received. Unless I did something wrong, the only way to "capture" Dual Received into Pilot credentials is to call it SIC time. Pilot Credentials does NOT have a Dual Received category/column. I may be on my own mini-OCD path of answering my own question, as the dual received hours obviously did physically in fact occur.

My PIC time (of which is 2,500 PIC multi-engine turboprop) is not affected at all.

My question does not pertain to PIC and dual received. I am clear on the fact that for airline application purposes, you cannot be PIC during dual received time. It pertains to the fact that in my Log Ten Pro (just delete it out ?) my Dual Received is logged into Dual Recevied, AND into the SIC column, to allow Pilot Credentials to "capture" the hours into the SIC column when I do the export.

Also, observe that when acting as Flight Instructor, it is accepted practice to log both Instructor AND PIC. My belief is it is equally valid, for airline applications, when receiving instruction, log BOTH Dual Received and SIC

Basically, my total time is calculated as below

Pilot Credentials: PIC + SIC which includes dual received as SIC = TT. This figure is 200 hours higher than Log Ten Pro version of TT. I printed Log Ten Pro into a nice physical logbook but under the "Total Time" column it is 200 hour short than Pilot Credentials. So at "logbook review time" I am concerned they may say WTF over. I can easily place a note or a letter explaining this fact in my logbook, but just wondering if anyone had a similar scenario or additional feedback.

Note that AA themselves states that for their application, dual received is to be considered SIC. See attachment.


///AMG said:
your TT is the same, regardless. Depending on where you are looking, they care about PIC, SIC and not other specific flight hour types. Can you not change it at this point, i.e. already published and sent a fix it letter? To be clear, is it summing a (for example) 1.5 hr flight that you were legally PIC for as a PP, as 1.5 PIC and 1.5 dual now as SIC, which is artificially logging a 3.0 for a 1.5 flight? Is that the situation?
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I think they answered your question. Haven't gotten that deep into the AA app yet (compared to others), so I don't have any experience to speak from. Big picture, I don't think you should be penalized 200 hrs because "dual" doesn't meet the FAA definition of SIC time.......your total is still 5900 hrs, as in the time you have flown a plane. And it also sounds like they are on board with this. I'd put a note in there explaining the minor discrepancy. My guess is that 5700 vs 5900 isn't going to make a huge difference to their HR app gonkulator anyway, and it also sounds like something that is easily explained during the paperwork portion of the interview, when you get the invite. Best of luck!
 
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