Pilot Background checking Company, (PRIA)

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ca777

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Anyone knows of a background company that dose background checks on pilots, including Pria. I had one done for a foreign airline yrs ago but can't remember who it was. Trying to get the full check for me and for fellow pilots at my current company. Willing to pay for service. Previous company trying to blackball me and trying to see if it is cleared up. Any help is appreciated.:fury:
 
ca777 said:
Anyone knows of a background company that dose background checks on pilots, including Pria. I had one done for a foreign airline yrs ago but can't remember who it was. Trying to get the full check for me and for fellow pilots at my current company. Willing to pay for service. Previous company trying to blackball me and trying to see if it is cleared up. Any help is appreciated.:fury:
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You do have the right to receive a copy of anything that an employer says about you in the course of a PRIA disclosure—is that not enough?
 
The background checking company gets the PRIA from your previous employers because they are doing it on behalf of an air carrier. I do not believe that they could do this on your behalf because they use FAA forms promulgated for use by air carriers. Luckily, if you read the text of the PRIA law you do not need to use these forms:

(6)Right to receive notice and copy of any record furnished.— A person who receives a request for records under paragraph (1) shall provide to the individual who is the subject of the records—
(A) on or before the 20th day following the date of receipt of the request, written notice of the request and of the individual’s right to receive a copy of such records; and
(B) in accordance with paragraph (10), a copy of such records, if requested by the individual.

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(10) RIGHT OF PILOT TO REVIEW CERTAIN RECORDS. Notwithstanding any other provision of law or agreement, an air carrier shall, upon written request from a pilot who is or has been employed by such carrier, make available, within a reasonable time, but not later than 30 days after the date of the request, to the pilot for review, any and all employment records referred to in paragraph (1)(B) (i) or (ii) pertaining to the employment of the pilot.
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Send a request in writing, certified mail, return receipt requested, that you are requesting pursuant to 49 USC § 44703(h)(10) all employment records subject to PRIA disclosure.
 
Don't give the guy reasons why NOT to do it. This IS doable and was VERY common in the 90s. Kit Darby's little organization did it for a few hundred dollars. I had it done myself in 98. Was worth every penny!

I am sure there is some organization who offers this service.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
Don't give the guy reasons why NOT to do it. This IS doable and was VERY common in the 90s. Kit Darby's little organization did it for a few hundred dollars. I had it done myself in 98. Was worth every penny!

I am sure there is some organization who offers this service.
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I'm just saying you can do it yourself -- for free (plus postage.)
 
I've been told that if you dont disclose working for a company, then theres no way for the new employer to get the records, or for them to even know that you worked for them.

For example, lets say ive worked for 5 different carriers, and one of them threatened to black ball me, i just omit that company on the pria form. They never get a request for records, and thus, cant send records.

I'm not endorsing doing that, im just saying that AFAIK, theres no third party involved in PRIA work. The only way your old company would even know you're getting a new job is if you specifically put down having worked for them, and they get a request for paperwork. Its not really a true back ground check, more of a "self disclosed" back ground check.
 
cmill said:
I've been told that if you dont disclose working for a company, then theres no way for the new employer to get the records, or for them to even know that you worked for them.

For example, lets say ive worked for 5 different carriers, and one of them threatened to black ball me, i just omit that company on the pria form. They never get a request for records, and thus, cant send records.

I'm not endorsing doing that, im just saying that AFAIK, theres no third party involved in PRIA work. The only way your old company would even know you're getting a new job is if you specifically put down having worked for them, and they get a request for paperwork. Its not really a true back ground check, more of a "self disclosed" back ground check.
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If your current air carrier ever found out, however, you'd more than likely be terminated.

"Oh hey, where'd you say you got all this ERJ time again?" :)
 
If you're even halfway friendly with any former employer, they'll send you the PRIA work, too. Although as pointed out above, you can mail away for it...imagine that takes a bit longer.
 
Somewhat related. I'd recommend spending the 18 dollars, getting your finger prints taken and sending them in for an FBI background check. I had a former employer do an online background check on me several years ago, and someone was using my last name as an alias(same first name). All kinds of "funny" things this guy did. :D Really crappy background checks will associate your name with all kinds of odd things. I keep a copy of this in case of future problems. If your record with the states and counties you've lived in and FBI record is clear, then it doesn't exist. Didn't happen. Will an HR department agree? No idea. Thankfully, when you get up high enough in aviation, the background checks are finger print based.

I have to say this too because of what I found out about myself, and I'm sure others would/will get similar results. If you know you have things(arrests and convictions) and your records come back clear. Be VERY careful how you use this information. I am PERFECT on paper, in Canada, and in the Police NCIC database. No driving infractions, no misdemeanor for minor in possession, and no getting arrested for being at my fathers shop at 2 in the morning.(bad neighborhood) However, I have a paper trail with FAA medical applications and job applications. That and no one cares about an MIP and it's never been a problem, so I will reluctantly continue to report the MIP, just not to Canada.
 
UAL747400 said:
Somewhat related. I'd recommend spending the 18 dollars, getting your finger prints taken and sending them in for an FBI background check. I had a former employer do an online background check on me several years ago, and someone was using my last name as an alias(same first name). All kinds of "funny" things this guy did. :D Really crappy background checks will associate your name with all kinds of odd things. I keep a copy of this in case of future problems. If your record with the states and counties you've lived in and FBI record is clear, then it doesn't exist. Didn't happen. Will an HR department agree? No idea. Thankfully, when you get up high enough in aviation, the background checks are finger print based.

I have to say this too because of what I found out about myself, and I'm sure others would/will get similar results. If you know you have things(arrests and convictions) and your records come back clear. Be VERY careful how you use this information. I am PERFECT on paper, in Canada, and in the Police NCIC database. No driving infractions, no misdemeanor for minor in possession, and no getting arrested for being at my fathers shop at 2 in the morning.(bad neighborhood) However, I have a paper trail with FAA medical applications and job applications. That and no one cares about an MIP and it's never been a problem, so I will reluctantly continue to report the MIP, just not to Canada.
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Canada won't care about the MIP so thats a moot point. It's not a disqualifying offense.
 
Inverted25 said:
Canada won't care about the MIP so thats a moot point. It's not a disqualifying offense.
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The main point I was making was that funny things(crimes, addresses, property ownership, ect) can appear on a non-finger print based background check. Not a problem at the airlines, but a freight or CFI gig, or non-aviation jobs(as in my case), it can be if you don't know about it ahead of time and clear it up. Which is why I was saying having a copy of your record from the FBI(which is the same information in the NCIC data base) is the end all, be all background check if there was any dispute.

My second point was to use caution with how to use that information. There's younger people on here that might be inclined to think that if there's no record something on a searchable database, it didn't happen. I actually agree, but the .00000001% risk that the FAA or an employer would find out about your "fib" isn't worth it.
 
Jecobitz said:
Are online companies an option? Like this one? I hear a lot of people use them.
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Yes, this and lexisnexis are probably the best and what most people will use. These two are probably the closest to being as accurate as your FBI record as well if you don't want to go through the trouble of getting your finger prints taken. These are also the services that may have discrepancies about you and would surely spend the 30 bucks to see. Remember, these searches only browse online data bases. While criminal records ARE public, they aren't complete in every data base, and if there is a name association error, this is where it would be. Why am I commenting a lot on this? Over the last few years, I've seen a few people get shafted by not knowing how they stand in the system and have done extensive searches on myself and talked to attorney friends to make sure things are how they should be. Just sharing what I've learned a long the way. The discrepancy on my record with an online search was grand theft auto, eluding the police, assaulting police, and resisting arrest! :aghast:
 
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