Pics of F-15 Eagle landing with one wing..

bunk22 said:
The pics on the left are recreated, the ones on the right are real. Forgot to mention that, no pics of the aircraft in flight as far as I know.
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Yeah, when I said "photos aren't real", I was referring to the stills grabbed from the re-created video from the TV show.

The still shots of the airplane on the ground came directly from that pilot.
 
I watched a F-4 land at Holloman AFB in 1999 with a partial left wing and rear stabilizer... Two Germans out in the range clipped each other, the other bailed, all were uninjured... Pretty amazing what these planes are capable of!
 
bunk22 said:
The pics on the left are recreated, the ones on the right are real. Forgot to mention that, no pics of the aircraft in flight as far as I know.
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Thanks. It was previous obvious with the flap being down. With only one aileron, I would think no amount of aileron input could overcome that.
 
Hacker15e said:
Worked fine with the Phantom....so long as both of 'em were up!

One of my IPs in the F-15E had to punch out of a Phantom when one wingtip came unlocked (or was unlocked) during takeoff.

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Yeah I guess you never know....Phantom probably has about the same amount of fuselage lift that the Hornet does, plus we have LEX's.......then again, I don't want to be the one to find out :)
 
Springer said:
Thanks. It was previous obvious with the flap being down. With only one aileron, I would think no amount of aileron input could overcome that.
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FWIW, most modern jets, Eagle presumably included, use differential stab deflection for foll control (in addition to or in place of aileron deflection depending on IAS/IMN). Between them, the rudders, and a good deal of potential asymmetric thrust from the motors, I could see the guy *maybe* having enough authority to keep it somewhat straight and level for landing. Obviously in this case the guy had enough.

Edit: I'll defer to Hacker or hook_dupin as the resident Eagle experts wrt the specifics of their aircraft, but I do know that is how the Hornet and others are wired.
 
The primary roll control in the F-15E, with the primary flight control computer on, is the stab...not the aileron.

The stab on the F-15 is bigger than the WING of the T-38...so there is a lot of roll control there.

I'm guessing that the "1-wing landing" procedure is indeed a no-flap landing!

Of note -- the Eagle was designed to not have flaps at all originally, but apparently the USAF demanded that it have flaps. So, McD put 'em on. They are 2-position flaps: up or down.
 
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The Eagle is tough, in 1982, an IAF Eagle took an Atoll up the tailpipe (stbd I think) fired my a Mig-21 and the pilot made it back to base. His other motor was damaged as well but it kept flying.
 
Hacker15e said:
The primary roll control in the F-15E, with the primary flight control computer on, is the stab...not the aileron.

The stab on the F-15 is bigger than the WING of the T-38...so there is a lot of roll control there.

I'm guessing that the "1-wing landing" procedure is indeed a no-flap landing!

Of note -- the Eagle was designed to not have flaps at all originally, but apparently the USAF demanded that it have flaps. So, McD put 'em on. They are 2-position flaps: up or down.
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Thanks, I forgot about roll control thru the stab. Old school here.

Btw, I need to proof read my post better....grrrrrrr
 
bunk22 said:
The Eagle is tough, in 1982, an IAF Eagle took an Atoll up the tailpipe (stbd I think) fired my a Mig-21 and the pilot made it back to base. His other motor was damaged as well but it kept flying.
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Here's one who got shot by his own wingman with an AIM-9L!

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Hacker15e said:
The primary roll control in the F-15E, with the primary flight control computer on, is the stab...not the aileron.

The stab on the F-15 is bigger than the WING of the T-38...so there is a lot of roll control there.

I'm guessing that the "1-wing landing" procedure is indeed a no-flap landing!

Of note -- the Eagle was designed to not have flaps at all originally, but apparently the USAF demanded that it have flaps. So, McD put 'em on. They are 2-position flaps: up or down.
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Interesting to hear the differences between Mac Air's products. For us, primary roll control is a combination of differential movement of the stabs, leading & trailing edge flaps, ailerons, and rudders....in other words we use 10 different control surfaces for roll/yaw throughout the meat of the flight envelope (excluding either extreme)
 
bkey79 said:
I watched a F-4 land at Holloman AFB in 1999 with a partial left wing and rear stabilizer... Two Germans out in the range clipped each other, the other bailed, all were uninjured... Pretty amazing what these planes are capable of!
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Was that the one that started the brush fire that the WSO had to run away from? Or was it the Tornado that hit the mountains on the vectors for the instrument approach?
 
///AMG said:
Interesting to hear the differences between Mac Air's products. For us, primary roll control is a combination of differential movement of the stabs, leading & trailing edge flaps, ailerons, and rudders....in other words we use 10 different control surfaces for roll/yaw throughout the meat of the flight envelope (excluding either extreme)
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Well, I said "primary"...not "only".

The Eagle doesn't have slats, but as you're describing on the Hornet, the Eagle FCC blends aileron, stab, and rudder into all of the flight control movements.
 
I once had a week of F-15 flight controls class for my current assignment. I'm amazed at how complex the hydromechanical control system of the F-15 really is. The MacD engineers were really damn smart when they came up with this thing in the 70's. Add a digital flight control system on top of it, and it makes the F-15 be the missing link of control systems for US fighters. I know plenty of 2000+ hour F-15 guys who don't fully understand how F-15 flight controls work.
 
Hacker15e said:
Well, I said "primary"...not "only".

The Eagle doesn't have slats, but as you're describing on the Hornet, the Eagle FCC blends aileron, stab, and rudder into all of the flight control movements.
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Rog, yeah that is essentially the same for us. You will mostly see the stabs moving, and at slower a/s, the ailerons as well. Most of the LEF/TEF movement is collective as they dig in under alpha. You've probably seen us appreciably unload during BFM to clean them up in order to get those ever important knots back :)
 
MikeD said:
Was that the one that started the brush fire that the WSO had to run away from? Or was it the Tornado that hit the mountains on the vectors for the instrument approach?
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Not sure... I know it was a flight of two and the other F4 went down in Oscura... I was there when the tornado went down near Roswell, a F117 had to punch after his ECU failed and a F16 smashed into the valley in 5107D...
 
Missed posting a couple other cool shots of Phantoms flying with the wings folded when this was an active topic:

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