PIC time?

sr71

sr71

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Has anyone heard the term Supervised PIC? If so what is the Definition of it and can you Log this time? Does it also count toward PIC time?

Thanks
 
sr71 said:
Has anyone heard the term Supervised PIC? If so what is the Definition of it and can you Log this time? Does it also count toward PIC time?

Thanks
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What do the regs say about this? Can you find Supervised PIC in the regs?
 
Ive heard of ACTING PIC, which I did when I was going for my CMEL, because I couldnt rent the twin solo when I wasnt a Commercially rated pilot. So they had a ACTING PIC thing which counted as PIC.

I was already rated in the airplane... so I dont know.
 
Supervised solo....

61.129(b)
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor....
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Part 141 private and commerical pilot airplane multi engine certification courses require "5 (10 for commerical) hours of flight training in a multiengine airplane performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a certificated flight instructor." It's in appendices B and D to part 141, 5(b)
 
The only time I have heard that term used was in regards to something like MU2 training. The FAA recently made it a requirement to have a type rating and 30 hours supervised PIC before you can fly the MU2 as a single pilot.
 
121.434
(c) Pilot crewmembers must acquire operating experience and operating cycles as follows:
(1) A pilot in command must—
(i) Perform the duties of a pilot in command under the supervision of a check pilot; and
(ii) In addition, if a qualifying pilot in command is completing initial or upgrade training specified in §121.424, be observed in the performance of prescribed duties by an FAA inspector during at least one flight leg which includes a takeoff and landing. During the time that a qualifying pilot in command is acquiring the operating experience in paragraphs (c)(l) (i) and (ii) of this section, a check pilot who is also serving as the pilot in command must occupy a pilot station. However, in the case of a transitioning pilot in command the check pilot serving as pilot in command may occupy the observer's seat, if the transitioning pilot has made at least two takeoffs and landings in the type airplane used, and has satisfactorily demonstrated to the check pilot that he is qualified to perform the duties of a pilot in command of that type of airplane.
 
Oh..don't get me started:mad: If its concerning multi then its been outlined numerous times, do a search. If its not..are you training contract students?
 
I know that for newly type rated jet pilot, there is a Supervised Operating Experience (SOE) requirement. Depending on the amount of time and experience, a 25 or 15 hour SOE is stamped on the new type certificate limiting PIC until that time is complete. It is only for those who have no jet time, not anyone getting a type. Can be found in Part 61.157.
 
What's the context? In Europe, you can log PICUS (PIC Under Supervision). My understanding is that this is basically where the FO logs his legs as PICUS and has the Captain sign his logbook.
 
Chief Captain said:
What's the context? In Europe, you can log PICUS (PIC Under Supervision). My understanding is that this is basically where the FO logs his legs as PICUS and has the Captain sign his logbook.
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I'm guessing the context is the number of FAA certificates and ratings that allow the counting of certain times one is performing the duties of PIC while under the supervision of a "real" PIC.

If that's what the OP is talking about, it's been in the regs in various forms but the October 2009 Part 61 revision added more about when it can be logged as PIC time:

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61.51(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot may log pilot in command flight time for flights-

(iv) When the pilot performs the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a qualified pilot in command provided—

(A) The pilot performing the duties of pilot in command holds a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category and class of aircraft being flown, if a class rating is appropriate;

(B) The pilot performing the duties of pilot in command is undergoing an approved pilot in command training program that includes ground and flight training on the following areas of operation—​

( 1 ) Preflight preparation;

( 2 ) Preflight procedures;

( 3 ) Takeoff and departure;

( 4 ) In-flight maneuvers;

( 5 ) Instrument procedures;

( 6 ) Landings and approaches to landings;

( 7 ) Normal and abnormal procedures;

( 8 ) Emergency procedures; and

( 9 ) Postflight procedures;​

(C) The supervising pilot in command holds—​

( 1 ) A commercial pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate, and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category, class, and type of aircraft being flown, if a class or type rating is required; or

( 2 ) An airline transport pilot certificate and aircraft rating that is appropriate to the category, class, and type of aircraft being flown, if a class or type rating is required; and​

(D) The supervising pilot in command logs the pilot in command training in the pilot's logbook, certifies the pilot in command training in the pilot's logbook and attests to that certification with his or her signature, and flight instructor certificate number.​

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MidlifeFlyer said:
more about when it can be logged as PIC time:
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It isn't clear to me what new privileges this new regulation added; since it requires that the pilot have the class rating, this time could always have been logged. It seems to eliminate the need for the type rating, however. Still, there must be more significance than that, since they clearly put a lot of work into crafting this regulation.
 
tgrayson said:
It isn't clear to me what new privileges this new regulation added; since it requires that the pilot have the class rating, this time could always have been logged. It seems to eliminate the need for the type rating, however. Still, there must be more significance than that, since they clearly put a lot of work into crafting this regulation.
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I think it avoids the trainee pilot needing to be the sole manipulator of the controls.

IOW, the pilot being trained is not qualified to act as PIC and the training (among other things) involves the trainee learning PIC CRM while being the non-flying pilot during the lesson - which I understand can be a fairly large part of PIC training.
 
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