Phraseology in International Air Transport Operations

z987k said:
Ever get a chance to check out the skiing there? I understand the Olympic training has moved there, and the island just south of them gets epic powder.
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Never got to stay, just tech stops.

Every time i went to Petro i thought it would be awesome to have some skis and a helicopter. And apparently it has great fishing in the summer, but i never got to stay there either.
 
gne in prog said:
Never got to stay, just tech stops.

Every time i went to Petro i thought it would be awesome to have some skis and a helicopter. And apparently it has great fishing in the summer, but i never got to stay there either.
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Was this back in the day of low bypass fuel guzzling aircraft or recently? Those are interesting tech stops unless the fuel is dirt cheap. Those Russian ATC fees sure aren't.
The whole of Eastern Russia is supposed to have wonderful fishing and great Heli skiing. I wish someone still did ANC-PKC. Reeve and Alaska did it way back with the 72's and Air Russia did it seasonally like a decade ago.

The tourism they could have if we could just stop hating each other.
 
A80TRACON said:
Nope, that callsign is GA... go to PDK and stay away from ATL.
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That's friggin funny! Cmon man, I can do 170 to the marker! Although, if I told you the story about the one time, long ago, I slowed down for a high speed on a busy night in ATL, you wouldn't let me into Georgia!
Yeah we always go to PDK, I just hate Signature there. Always gotta park myself, and buying 600 gallons of fuel isn't enough to get anybody to help you out.
 
How about reading back of altimeter settings? I'm sure ATC/pilots in the US think I'm a tool when I read back the altimeter setting, but I've been to enough places in Asia/Europe where they will just keep telling you the QNH over and over again unless you read it back verbatim, saying "airline 1234, roger" doesn't cut it. It's one of those things I have a hard time switching off in N. America, kind of like saying decimal instead of point.

The other fun debate is the the ol' "leaving one assigned altitude for another" call. IIRC, in the US this is only required outside of radar contact, and still "recommended" when in radar contact per the A.I.M. Honestly I prefer not to make this call but plenty of my co-workers will flip their dung when I don't, so I do it if I sense that's about to happen. I don't believe it's done at all when in radar contact in most overseas FIRs. Maybe you guys can set me straight.

.....and I still have no clue about the heavy suffix now that ARTCC in the US are saying it sometimes. Canada loves saying heavy almost as much as they love saying roger on any and all types of frequencies. Yeah I know that ICAO 4444 stipulates it be used only on the initial call up to each ATS unit. You will sound like a martian trying to adhere to 4444 in FAA airspace though.
 
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Alchemy said:
How about reading back of altimeter settings? I'm sure ATC/pilots in the US think I'm a tool when I read back the altimeter setting, but I've been to enough places in Asia/Europe where they will just keep telling you the QNH over and over again unless you read it back verbatim, saying "airline 1234, roger" doesn't cut it. It's one of those things I have a hard time switching off in N. America, kind of like saying decimal instead of point.

The other fun debate is the the ol' "leaving one assigned altitude for another" call. IIRC, in the US this is only required outside of radar contact, and still "recommended" when in radar contact per the A.I.M. Honestly I prefer not to make this call but plenty of my co-workers will flip their dung when I don't, so I do it if I sense that's about to happen. I don't believe it's done at all when in radar contact in most overseas FIRs. Maybe you guys can set me straight.

.....and I still have no clue about the heavy suffix now that ARTCC in the US are saying it sometimes. Canada loves saying heavy almost as much as they love saying roger on any and all types of frequencies. Yeah I know that ICAO 4444 stipulates it be used only on the initial call up to each ATS unit. You will sound like a martian trying to adhere to 4444 in FAA airspace though.
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Just bring all the ICAO stuff to the US you can. It is so less confusing.
I'm also stuck on decimal. I just can't say point anymore. It's like nails on a chalkboard.... like hearing SWA in mexico.
 
z987k said:
Just bring all the ICAO stuff to the US you can. It is so less confusing.
I'm also stuck on decimal. I just can't say point anymore. It's like nails on a chalkboard.... like hearing SWA in mexico.
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My first ATC assignment out of tech school was at an ICAO installation. Said "decimal" for the first two years of my ATC career, yet had absolutely no issues going back to "point" when I returned stateside.
 
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