Phony degree.

gne in prog said:
What's you're endgame? Where are you and where do you want to end up?
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Assuming this was addressed to me...

You can all sleep at night knowing I don't have a commercial certificate. I have private and instrument ratings but haven't flown in years due to less money since getting my own place. I see that changing in the next few years however, and would like to get the commercial certificate.

I agree, this forum isn't the place to argue for fake degrees and I apologize. Honestly I probably wouldn't do it, but was curious about it and do stand behind my claims that irrelevant degrees shouldn't matter.

If it does come down to it, I might have to purse jobs that don't require a degree, even though A Life Aloft feels I would be unsafe at the controls.

I'll let the thread die. See you guys in a couple years, maybe.
 
What I said, (and perhaps going to college might improve your reading comprehension) "You aren't professional or mature enough to be behind the controls of any aircraft." And you have proven that many times over not only in this thread but in others. Even stating yet again that "I probably wouldn't do it" in regards to getting a phony degree, instead of I would never do such a thing because it's wrong, just proves my previous points again. Your posts speak loud and clear.

You don't even get why getting a college degree is a valuable asset. You don't get that most employers require it, you don't get that you might actually learn something, you don't get the discipline and work ethic involved is important, you don't get that you need one to be competitive, you don't get getting a degree in something that may further you down the road in case your aviation career for a myriad of reasons comes to an end, you don't get that taking some classes in subjects pertinent to your career will be an asset, you don't get the sense of pride and accomplishment that you would have. You don't seem to get anything in fact, no matter who presents it and how. You're right and everyone else is just full of it.

The true mettle of a man is measured in how he stands up to, faces and overcomes life's challenges. It's determination, priorities, hard work, never giving up, attitude, adapting, and how badly you want to succeed. It's not about whining about the obstacles nor wanting things just handed to you because you think you deserve them over another who actually worked for and earned something, it's taking hold of those obstacles and conquering them, one step at a time. That is something to respect and admire.
 
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Holocene said:
You won't find it in the FARs, beyond your responsibility to determine if you're fit to fly. Company policy is another matter.

The AIM does warn that following moderate consumption, 12 to 24 hours should take precedence over the 8hr law.
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Ok, before you get yourself in trouble or anyone else, the "8 hour rule" is separate and apart from the "0.04 BAC" rule. And those two rules are completely separate from flying "impaired" which is all encompassing (hangover).

You can comply with the 8 hour rule, but be in violation of the 0.04 rule and certainly be in violation of flying impaired and still be in compliance with the 8 hour rule and the 0.04 rule.

If the Feds are after you, ask that America West crew in Florida how easy it is with hotel room key slide times, credit card receipts and other ancillary data.

I have a colleague that spent six months in jail in a foreign country and another one that was pulled off a jet in Europe, some think over a basic misunderstanding of those rules.

Don't attempt to proffer advice on this topic.
 
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Derg said:
Ok, before you get yourself in trouble or anyone else, the "8 hour rule" is separate and apart from the "0.04 BAC" rule. And those two rules are completely separate from flying "impaired" which is all encompassing (hangover).

You can comply with the 8 hour rule, but be in violation of the 0.04 rule and certainly be in violation of flying impaired and still be in compliance with the 8 hour rule and the 0.04 rule.

If the Feds are after you, ask that America West crew in Florida how easy it is with hotel room key slide times, credit card receipts and other ancillary data.

I have a colleague that spent six months in jail in a foreign country and another one that was pulled off a jet in Europe, some think over a basic misunderstanding of those rules.

Don't attempt to proffer advice on this topic.
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And there are plenty of people just waiting for the opportunity to roast an airline pilot. The bartender may seem like a nice guy, but if you go to the hotel bar and get liquored up with a 5:00 AM show, everyone working at the hotel knows your report time. The TSA also has a serious hard-on for catching pilots who smell like alcohol too.

Holocene, don't put yourself at risk of losing your career. You say you've worked hard for it. Being able to say "I waited 8 hours" won't save your butt.
 
Don't get your degree. You guys are all correct; it's stupid, useless, and a waste of both time and money. Frankly, I'm glad that you guys are able to see through the scam with how worthless undergraduate degrees are.

Which is why, if you're ever able to get to a mainline interview without one, everyone interviewing you will have at least an undergraduate degree, and possibly a graduate degree.

And everybody that runs the shop will have an undergraduate degree, likely from a well respected institution or one of the academies. Many of the folks in flight ops management will have graduate degrees.

And everybody in management will also have an undergraduate degree, likely from an ivy league institution.

It's also why the CEO's at Delta and United have their J.D.'s, the CEO's at American, Alaska have MBA's, and the CEO at Hawaiian has a masters degree in Aeronautics.

So yes, if you think getting a degree is a terrible idea, you've found out something that all these incredibly intelligent, and highly successful people completely missed out on.

Please, don't get your degree.

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Holocene said:
Assuming this was addressed to me...

You can all sleep at night knowing I don't have a commercial certificate. I have private and instrument ratings but haven't flown in years due to less money since getting my own place. I see that changing in the next few years however, and would like to get the commercial certificate.

I agree, this forum isn't the place to argue for fake degrees and I apologize. Honestly I probably wouldn't do it, but was curious about it and do stand behind my claims that irrelevant degrees shouldn't matter.

If it does come down to it, I might have to purse jobs that don't require a degree, even though A Life Aloft feels I would be unsafe at the controls.

I'll let the thread die. See you guys in a couple years, maybe.
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I wasn't trying to pick on you, but it's tough to offer any meaningful advice without knowing where you want to go.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
And there are plenty of people just waiting for the opportunity to roast an airline pilot. The bartender may seem like a nice guy, but if you go to the hotel bar and get liquored up with a 5:00 AM show, everyone working at the hotel knows your report time. The TSA also has a serious hard-on for
catching pilots who smell like alcohol too.
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This. Every time some jackass on your crew announces to the bartender or some bar skank that "We're pilots!" might as well get up and move to another establishment because now you're marked. Don't think for a second someone wouldn't post, on social media, "Gettin' drunk with some American pilots!" or "I can't believe how much the guys flying to MSP tomorrow drank! #rehab" on social media and that's all it takes.

Hell, some hotels will rat your ass out to operations too. This has happened on a number of occasions.

Holocene, don't put yourself at risk of losing your career. You say you've worked hard for it. Being able to say "I waited 8 hours" won't save your butt.
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Correct. Because you have three separate, independent rules and not drinking within 8 hours only covers one, but not the other two.
 
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jtrain609 said:
Don't get your degree. You guys are all correct; it's stupid, useless, and a waste of both time and money. Frankly, I'm glad that you guys are able to see through the scam with how worthless undergraduate degrees are.

Which is why, if you're ever able to get to a mainline interview without one, everyone interviewing you will have at least an undergraduate degree, and possibly a graduate degree.

And everybody that runs the shop will have an undergraduate degree, likely from a well respected institution or one of the academies. Many of the folks in flight ops management will have graduate degrees.

And everybody in management will also have an undergraduate degree, likely from an ivy league institution.

It's also why the CEO's at Delta and United have their J.D.'s, the CEO's at American, Alaska have MBA's, and the CEO at Hawaiian has a masters degree in Aeronautics.

So yes, if you think getting a degree is a terrible idea, you've found out something that all these incredibly intelligent, and highly successful people completely missed out on.

Please, don't get your degree.

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Hmm...somewhat related question here. Does having a master's significantly increase one's chances of being hired by a major?
 
jtrain609 said:
Don't get your degree. You guys are all correct; it's stupid, useless, and a waste of both time and money. Frankly, I'm glad that you guys are able to see through the scam with how worthless undergraduate degrees are.

Which is why, if you're ever able to get to a mainline interview without one, everyone interviewing you will have at least an undergraduate degree, and possibly a graduate degree.

And everybody that runs the shop will have an undergraduate degree, likely from a well respected institution or one of the academies. Many of the folks in flight ops management will have graduate degrees.

And everybody in management will also have an undergraduate degree, likely from an ivy league institution.

It's also why the CEO's at Delta and United have their J.D.'s, the CEO's at American, Alaska have MBA's, and the CEO at Hawaiian has a masters degree in Aeronautics.

So yes, if you think getting a degree is a terrible idea, you've found out something that all these incredibly intelligent, and highly successful people completely missed out on.

Please, don't get your degree.

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Do those of us with degree(s) a favor, and don't! I'm sure it'll work out great.
 
jtrain609 said:
Don't get your degree. You guys are all correct; it's stupid, useless, and a waste of both time and money. Frankly, I'm glad that you guys are able to see through the scam with how worthless undergraduate degrees are.

Which is why, if you're ever able to get to a mainline interview without one, everyone interviewing you will have at least an undergraduate degree, and possibly a graduate degree.

And everybody that runs the shop will have an undergraduate degree, likely from a well respected institution or one of the academies. Many of the folks in flight ops management will have graduate degrees.

And everybody in management will also have an undergraduate degree, likely from an ivy league institution.

It's also why the CEO's at Delta and United have their J.D.'s, the CEO's at American, Alaska have MBA's, and the CEO at Hawaiian has a masters degree in Aeronautics.

So yes, if you think getting a degree is a terrible idea, you've found out something that all these incredibly intelligent, and highly successful people completely missed out on.

Please, don't get your degree.

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I had to laugh at myself for a second. I saw Jtrains new avatar and thought HOLY MOSES this might be the first new member who actually gets it this week given the two relative train wreck threads that happened recently. Then I saw it was just a new avatar for a well respected member.

And no I'm not ragging on people who don't have a degree. I've met plenty of brilliant people in my career who learned their craft through pure hard work(instead of a college degree) and the pursuit of knowledge on their own. It can be done, but is it the norm, no.
 
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Bumblebee said:
FIFY
Where is there a forum where people want to take the easy way and lie about their experience while getting baked?

don't go, you're a great example of what not to do.
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It's kind of like a "Doonesbury" comic, isn't it? :)
 
Derg said:
It's kind of like a "Doonesbury" comic, isn't it? :)
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or the Far SIde
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I just read this entire thread, front to back. WOW.
I'll throw my two bits in here. I'm an eight year college student and I'm graduating with my BS this spring. Its been a long difficult road working full time and supporting my family. Add a couple of deployments in the mean time and let's just say getting my education has not been easy. But I would NEVER trade my education for a fraudulent piece of paper. I am proud of all the long nights of study and all the difficult classes I mastered.
If I had not put myself through this torture I would be ashamed to lump myself in with those who had.
To the op, go get a real education. All the hard work will be something you can be proud of. And you will be better off for it. To paraphrase one of my role models: If you are going to live life, why not live it from an educated point of view?
 
Holocene said:
And yet you can get smashed and fly 8hrs later. Sorry, that's why it's so hard for me to respect asinine laws and policies; they make no sense. I guess I'm not professional enough for the airlines, hopefully I can get a job piloting drones.
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Uhhh, because pot has a longer half life and stays in your system?
 
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