Phoenix AZ. flying clubs!

Maximilian_Jenius

Maximilian_Jenius

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Looking to find a local PHX flying club. I haven't flown in probably 3-4 yrs. and want to get my feet "wet" before starting training full blast again sometime in the near or not too distant future!

Anyone know any, or know how to find some?

I'm probably not current with my PPL, so gonna need a check-out. So this should help.
 
I think I may start a pool concerning when you actually do start flight training - or when people THINK you'll start training, or if you ever will. :)
 
surreal1221 said:
I think I may start a pool concerning when you actually do start flight training - or when people THINK you'll start training, or if you ever will. :)
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Well, I'm really glad that everything worked out soooooo well for you. Glad that you had your GI Bill to tap into and are married thus having two incomes and now a house.

And you never have made mistakes, or had personal set backs in life, and are generally perfect in every sense.

Sure wish we could all be like that, you know perfect. But since we all can't guess what things get pushed back, and take a back seat to something called life.

Sometimes it's not being about starting flight training at age 18 or even 22 like in your case. It only matters that you start. And I'm only 31 yrs. old

I've taken measures be it paying off debt (sitting at zero debt here, except for my car, and have a fat savings account) to be able to start soon, when I don't exactly have a date, but soon.

So sorry, actually I'm not sorry that I didn't start as soon as you or others wanted me to, but I have a plan and I'm carrying it out. It will just take longer than both you or I have expected.

But I'm gonna get there come hell or high water. And it will mean more too me because I had to wait for it, and earn it (working 65-70 hr. weeks in one year, with no absenses, no sick, vacation time and no benefits) and scrape for it.

So now what, are you gonna answer the question or continue to be a dick?

Sorry,(kinda) touchy subject!

:mad:
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Well, I'm really glad that everything worked out soooooo well for you. Glad that you had your GI Bill to tap into and are married thus having two incomes and now a house.

And you never have made mistakes, or had personal set backs in life, and are generally perfect in every sense.

Sure wish we could all be like that, you know perfect. But since we all can't guess what things get pushed back, and take a back seat to something called life.

Sometimes it's not being about starting flight training at age 18 or even 22 like in your case. It only matters that you start. And I'm only ####ing 31 yrs. old

I've taken measures be it paying off debt (sitting at zero debt here, except for my car, and have a fat savings account) to be able to start soon, when I don't exactly have a date, but soon.

So sorry, actually I'm not sorry that I didn't start as soon as you or others wanted me to, but I have a plan and I'm carrying it out. It will just take longer than both you or I have expected.

But #### I'm gonna get there come hell or high water. And it will mean more too me because I had to wait for it, and earn it (working 65-70 hr. weeks in one year, with no absenses, no sick, vacation time and no benefits) and scrape for it.

So now what, are you gonna answer the question or continue to be a dick?

Sorry,(kinda) touchy subject!

:mad:
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Wooooooo


Easy Matt. Take it with a grain of salt, I'm sure he was just joking.

BTW, you haven't flown in 3-4 years? You are DEFINITELY not current! :D
 
club's will usually require a good outlay of cash plus monthly fees. You will get a better price on hourly rental, but there are the monthly costs to be aware of.

I recently joined a club and here is what my costs are:

$6,000 share purchase price
$150 monthly club dues

6 aircraft

1 1981 C172 $67/hr wet (Tach Time)
1 1982 C172 $67/hr wet (Tach Time)
1 1977 C182 $107/hr wet (Tach Time)
1 1978 C182 $107/hr wet (Tach Time)
2 1978 C210's $140/hr wet (Tach Time)

The more you fly, the cheaper the hourly price becomes.

http://www.cloud7.org/


here's a little help:

Take A Peak Max.
 
X-Forces said:
Wooooooo


Easy Matt. Take it with a grain of salt, I'm sure he was just joking.

BTW, you haven't flown in 3-4 years? You are DEFINITELY not current! :D
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Check it. First of all I guess I should apologize to my friend Surreal,after reading it again guess he was joking. The topic is just kind of a real tender one for me. I have to field an answer to those question quite frequently.

"When are you starting training. Didn't you say that you were going to start at _______ in August. But also weren't you singing the same tune last year or the year before last."

"Max, are you ever really gonna be a pilot, or are you only gonna talk about being one?"

I've had a few personal set backs of my own making, I paid the price but came out the other end better for it.

Sometimes it just gets old, and my own bitter frustration takes over.

Not sure if people think that I just log on to the site to dick around with people and pass the time, while working at non degreed jobs and watching the world and everyone else pass me by.

But that is not to say that I also don't really appreciate everyone caring concerns about my future and goals. Were a family here on JC. so it *does* means alot.

Flying a regional jet for $19k isn't the end all be all. But I can say that there is a certain amount of envy seeing friends on here complete training and enter the industry and acheive personal success and complete their goals. Both because they're where I want to be and because I haven't gotten there yet! It also gives me drive and focus to hurry up and get'r done already!

Having said all that everything happens for a reason and the past year has been really great for me in many ways. And put me in a much better situation to be able to actually start training and succeed at my life goals than ever before.

I have no finalized plans so not sure if I'm going to ______ or ______ or even _______!

Just know for all who actually care that behind the computer screen I'm so not dicking around aimlessly, but actually taking measures to finish my training and not just talking about it.

Kind of like wanting to fly between 5-10 hours or more pre training and get current!

end rant/
 
JEP said:
club's will usually require a good outlay of cash plus monthly fees. You will get a better price on hourly rental, but there are the monthly costs to be aware of.

I recently joined a club and here is what my costs are:

$6,000 share purchase price
$150 monthly club dues

6 aircraft

1 1981 C172 $67/hr wet (Tach Time)
1 1982 C172 $67/hr wet (Tach Time)
1 1977 C182 $107/hr wet (Tach Time)
1 1978 C182 $107/hr wet (Tach Time)
2 1978 C210's $140/hr wet (Tach Time)

The more you fly, the cheaper the hourly price becomes.

http://www.cloud7.org/


here's a little help:

Take A Peak Max.
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Thanks Jim, didn't know that. Thought a club was cheaper like buying in bulk verses goin' hourly!

But didn't know that there was such an exorbitant start of cost!

I'll call some schools tomorrow afternoon. Think that I need a BFR?
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Thanks Jim, didn't know that. Thought a club was cheaper like buying in bulk verses goin' hourly!

But didn't know that there was such an exorbitant start of cost!

I'll call some schools tomorrow afternoon. Think that I need a BFR?
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Different clubs will have different setups that's just an idea of how they run here.

It is cheaper really though. Let's use a 1 year period for example.

share purchase = $6000
12 months x $150 = $1800
15 hours a month = $12060 (15 a month x 12months @ $67 /hr)
sell share -$6000
total cost for me that year = $13,860 / 180hrs = $77(average)/hr wet (Tach Time) for the aircraft

renting from the FBO where I trained:

180 hrs X $120/hr = $21,600
(and this doesn't include any fuel charges, etc....It is also billed via the Hobbs meter which equals less flying and more $$$$)

If you going to fly alot, then a club is a good deal. If not flying a lot, then the fbo may be a better option.

As for the BFR, you will need that and probably then some before a FBO will let you lose in one fo their planes.
 
max rent a plane for an hour. get an instructor to watch you make three take offs and three full stop landings and you are golden. i am pretty sure that is all you need but i very well could be wrong. if the flying thing deos not work out for awhile i would love to help you get back on your feet once i instruct. hey man its all about paying it forward.
 
amorris311 said:
max rent a plane for an hour. get an instructor to watch you make three take offs and three full stop landings and you are golden. i am pretty sure that is all you need but i very well could be wrong. if the flying thing deos not work out for awhile i would love to help you get back on your feet once i instruct. hey man its all about paying it forward.
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Ahh... No

If he hasn't flow in 3 - 4 years he is going to need a flight review, and I would suspect a new medical.
 
X-Forces said:
Ahh... No

If he hasn't flow in 3 - 4 years he is going to need a flight review, and I would suspect a new medical.
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Yep and yep.

And I would imagine that the fbo where you decide to rent, if that's what you do, will require the checkout as well. Yes the BFR may be used by them for the checkout, but after not flying for so long, I would imagine it would be a little longer process.
 
JEP said:
Different clubs will have different setups that's just an idea of how they run here.

It is cheaper really though. Let's use a 1 year period for example.

share purchase = $6000
12 months x $150 = $1800
15 hours a month = $12060 (15 a month x 12months @ $67 /hr)
sell share -$6000
total cost for me that year = $13,860 / 180hrs = $77(average)/hr wet (Tach Time) for the aircraft

renting from the FBO where I trained:

180 hrs X $120/hr = $21,600
(and this doesn't include any fuel charges, etc....It is also billed via the Hobbs meter which equals less flying and more $$$$)

If you going to fly alot, then a club is a good deal. If not flying a lot, then the fbo may be a better option.

As for the BFR, you will need that and probably then some before a FBO will let you lose in one fo their planes.
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Yea, doesn't sound like the flying club thing is for me! As all I really need is a BFR to get current!

Amorris311 said:
max rent a plane for an hour. get an instructor to watch you make three take offs and three full stop landings and you are golden. i am pretty sure that is all you need but i very well could be wrong. if the flying thing does not work out for awhile i would love to help you get back on your feet once i instruct. hey man its all about paying it forward.
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Thanks man, seriously! Sorry bout' Friday I had a two day orientation that started on Thurs for work. But still will make it out there when our schedules are more compatible!
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Yea, doesn't sound like the flying club thing is for me! As all I really need is a BFR to get current!



Thanks man, seriously! Sorry bout' Friday I had a two day orientation that started on Thurs for work. But still will make it out there when our schedules are more compatible!
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I believe all that is required for a BFR is one hour of flight, one hour of ground.

That being said, I think that with the layoff in flying any FBO is going to require significantly more than that for a checkout.

You have your PPL, correct? How many hours did you have when you last flew?


psst, why you don't respond to my txt's? I sent one some time ago.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Oh, definitiely a medical. But that's what the good doctor is for!

Gettin' all my ducks ina row!
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Get those ducks swimming man!!! What's the story with you, me and Pete splitting the flying?

JEP said:
Yep and yep.

And I would imagine that the fbo where you decide to rent, if that's what you do, will require the checkout as well. Yes the BFR may be used by them for the checkout, but after not flying for so long, I would imagine it would be a little longer process.
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Yep, figure a checkout that would last about an hour on the ground and an hour in the air at the least. However, it is usually possible to combine a flight review with a check out, or it has been at most of the FBO I have flown out of.
 
X-Forces said:
Get those ducks swimming man!!! What's the story with you, me and Pete splitting the flying?



Yep, figure a checkout that would last about an hour on the ground and an hour in the air at the least. However, it is usually possible to combine a flight review with a check out, or it has been at most of the FBO I have flown out of.
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I believe what is required for a BFR is one hour of flight, one hour of ground.

That being said, I think that with the layoff in flying, any FBO is going to require significantly more than that for a checkout.
 
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