Personal Jets (VLJ's)

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scramjet said:
If the VLJs had been introduced in the early 90s, they would have had a bigger impact (of the non hole in the ground kind :crazy:).
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That would have been tough since they are technology driven. The contrast in their technology over early 90s is the key.

Their economics are actually pretty good, siginificantly cheaper then many other GA jets, but as someone else already said, the fuel prices aren't going to go anywhere but up for the forseeable future.
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Higher fuel prices work in their favor, actually giving them more relative value.
 
surreal1221 said:
....and can't get the hell off of the runway.
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And watching a Dash 8 roll to the end of a 9000 foot runway is better? Guys.....it's a STOL airplane :banghead: (and no....we don't care where your gate is.)

Champcar said:
Anyone think its possible that Center will leave these jets in the mid to lower flight levels cause they don't want them getting in the way of airline travel?

Yeah they can climb up to FL42 but they still have to putts their way through the 30's
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It's not funny when the shoe's on the other foot is it? It's the airliners (OK the RJs) in the way now.

Anyone else want to ban RJs above FL310? :rawk:
 
I fear these will be the toys of the rich and stupid. You ever try explaining to a doctor in a Mooney that just because he prefers doing straight-in approach to landings doesn't mean he can fly against traffic? It's a losing battle. These baby's will replace the V-tail Bonanza as the doctor killer of the next generation of doctors.

And that's just how it will effect general aviation airports. To reap the fuel benefits, they will need to fly at the top of their envelope, around FL 410. I don't think this airspace should be reserved for commercial and corporate traffic, but come on! Modern jet airliners are flying at Mach .78 average. When they're in a hurry, they may be huffing it at .82 or higher. A lot of the corporate guys are going even faster. The VLJ's will be putt-putting along at .64. OUCH! With increasingly cloudy skies, that's like driving in the fast lane at rush hour at 45MPH!

If you needed heart surgery, you wouldn't go to a wanna-be doctor who dabbled in medicine. Why should flying a complex jet be any different? :banghead:
 
flyinawa said:
If you needed heart surgery, you wouldn't go to a wanna-be doctor who dabbled in medicine. Why should flying a complex jet be any different? :banghead:
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Very good point!!!!!

surreal1221 said:
I just have a feeling, that no matter how tough training standards are set, or how high insurance companies make it cost - these guys will still be the "the sky is mine" type. No calls, incorrect entry into the pattern, and slow as grandma clearing. Now though, they will be doing it at extremely high speeds.
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I see your point very clearly, surreal. I know a few doctor GA pilots and nobody can tell most of them anything about flying better or safer.
 
surreal1221 said:
No, and it was said in jest.

I fly in a higher than average GA airport. So I'm very disgruntled at the 50+ year old guys who fly around as if they own the whole sky. Hence my anger and discontent, with a slight amount of sarcasm.

I just have a feeling, that no matter how tough training standards are set, or how high insurance companies make it cost - these guys will still be the "the sky is mine" type. No calls, incorrect entry into the pattern, and slow as grandma clearing. Now though, they will be doing it at extremely high speeds.

I see nothing but trouble, increased costs, and decreased safety.
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Boating is a good example of this - look at all the rich d-bags with their 30-foot bayliners who don't think the rules (or common decency) apply to them.
 
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