Pen Air Caravan Pilots

juxtapilot said:
Just curious, do any of you know what equipment is installed on the right side of the panel at Penair or Hageland? (CDI/HSI etc?) What's actually required to have an SIC? Just a standard six pack?
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There's not much on the co-star side at Hageland. Standard 6 pack, but if you are shooting an approach from the right seat, you have to look over at the captain's side for an hsi. Not sure what PenAir has.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you want some specifics about Hageland.
 
I know it has already been said but I'm going to say it again. In the long run it might be a better option to get to 500 TT and apply at Yute. It is a good outfit to start with and you'd be logging AKPIC making 40-50 bucks an hour. Then after you get over 250 PIC (Delta) time you can jump ship to Hagland/Era whatever, or Grant or whever you want.

The disadvantage is it would take a little more time but the advantage is you wouldn't have to log 208SIC and you would actually make some coin. ...and you wouldn't have to interview with JR hahaha! "You ever been out west... SON?"
 
That wouldn't be a bad plan..... JR was a pretty nice guy to me until he wasn't. IMHO there's a definite "drinking buddy test" in place at fHageland and if they don't like you or you're not Yupik or Inupiaq you're going to have issues.

In the long run the trick about AK flying is that if you have a different long term goal in mind you better have an exit strategy mapped out and be ready to jump on it when the opportunity arises. While there is nothing like it anywhere in the US and I miss it dearly it just doesn't translate well Outside. YMMV.
 
To the OP: There is an excellent Caravan time-building program here in North Florida. You pay a reasonable amount for the time and you log up to 6-8hrs a day PIC. None of this "SIC-hope-it-helps-me-in-the-next-interview" time. Do a little of this and THEN head off to AK. If interested, PM
 
dustoff17 said:
To the OP: There is an excellent Caravan time-building program here in North Florida. You pay a reasonable amount for the time and you log up to 6-8hrs a day PIC. None of this "SIC-hope-it-helps-me-in-the-next-interview" time. Do a little of this and THEN head off to AK. If interested, PM
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I wouldn't be promoting anything like that, not even if I was a cute cheerleader...

Pay for Caravan time??? If you're that desperate, you're better off hooking on the street corner,.
 
moxiepilot said:
I wouldn't be promoting anything like that, .....
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Then don't.
Makes no sense to me how some people will make comments like this. "Pay for Caravan time?" but you didn't think twice about paying for 172 time when you were getting your certificate. OR time-building when thinking about an aviation career.
If paying for 208 time (which is less than wet 182 by the way) gets you down your career path, then why not do it?

moxiepilot said:
............If you're that desperate, you're better off hooking on the street corner,.
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If you're even thinking about $10/hr pay, 4 hours for SIC time, you're already on the street corner. IMHO

P.S. I'm not "promoting" the 208 program. I don't get a commission. I know of the program and I'm posting the info, your results and interest may vary......
 
dustoff17 said:
Then don't.
Makes no sense to me how some people will make comments like this. "Pay for Caravan time?" but you didn't think twice about paying for 172 time when you were getting your certificate. OR time-building when thinking about an aviation career.
If paying for 208 time (which is less than wet 182 by the way) gets you down your career path, then why not do it?



If you're even thinking about $10/hr pay, 4 hours for SIC time, you're already on the street corner. IMHO

P.S. I'm not "promoting" the 208 program. I don't get a commission. I know of the program and I'm posting the info, your results and interest may vary......
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Well lets see here, since a 208 costs about $600/hour to operate considering fuel and maintenance and you are "PIC" in this thing, it is obvious that this "time building" is more than "time building." There is a seperate mission this plane is doing, one that actually makes the money -- maybe it is hauling freight, loads of people for skydiving, or just normal people from point A to point B. The point is that this would normally require this company to HIRE A PROFESSIONAL PILOT-IN-COMMAND. But you're recommending someone pay money and therefore negate the need for this company to hire someone to fly their airplanes. The only saving grace for the programs that Ameriflight and some other have is that the paying "co-pilot" is optional and not needed.

I'll speak plainly as someone who flies 208 for a living: anyone who pays money to this operator in Florida is despicable, and deserving of all the scorn someone might have for him.
 
I understand C-208 Caravan is Single Pilot operated.

I wonder if I were to get "type rated" in this airplane, how much hours do I need for dual?

Not sure will it (C-208) appear on the FAA Certificate?

Can somebody enlight me? Thank you. :)
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Well lets see here, since a 208 costs about $600/hour to operate considering fuel and maintenance and you are "PIC" in this thing, it is obvious that this "time building" is more than "time building." There is a seperate mission this plane is doing, one that actually makes the money -- maybe it is hauling freight, loads of people for skydiving, or just normal people from point A to point B. The point is that this would normally require this company to HIRE A PROFESSIONAL PILOT-IN-COMMAND. But you're recommending someone pay money and therefore negate the need for this company to hire someone to fly their airplanes. The only saving grace for the programs that Ameriflight and some other have is that the paying "co-pilot" is optional and not needed.

I'll speak plainly as someone who flies 208 for a living: anyone who pays money to this operator in Florida is despicable, and deserving of all the scorn someone might have for him.
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Like MoxiePilot, you too missed the point of my post. I'm not recommending, endorsing, advocating, or otherwise suggesting that anyone utilize this program. This program is there and, whether you want to admit it or not, MIGHT just work for someone to get some experience and time. Also you apparently misread and misunderstand the regulations if you think (as you have written) that a non-qualified pilot can operate as a PIC. This program is for someone, like the OP, that might want to get to the left seat quicker at a company in AK.

So you can see just how far off base you are: The flights ARE freight, they run whether there is a right seater or not. The PICs are already settled in thier jobs and are quite happy. The company is not looking for PICs, they aren't working someone to move to the left seat, they don't want to hire you after you get XX amount of PIC time, they don't NEED a right seater..........

All of the PICs are CFI/CFII certificated. The company opens the right seat up for all the flights and, as an obvious benefit to themselves, offsets some of thier cost by giving instruction at the same time.

Since a new right seater can opt for as little or as much PIC time as they want AND can pay less than they would for a 182(wet) AND get turbine time AND build total time, where's the problem?
 
cadbury said:
I understand C-208 Caravan is Single Pilot operated.

I wonder if I were to get "type rated" in this airplane, how much hours do I need for dual?

Not sure will it (C-208) appear on the FAA Certificate?

Can somebody enlight me? Thank you. :)
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MOST Caravans are operated single pilot. There is no "type rating" for this plane. The # of hours needed is really based on your abilities and your insurance requirements.

If you don't have an ATP, the Caravan won't show on your certificate. If you have or get an ATP, your certificate will just show "ATP Single Engine" (but this is true if you've only flown a 172).
 
dustoff17 said:
Since a new right seater can opt for as little or as much PIC time as they want AND can PAY less than they would for a 182(wet) AND get turbine time AND build total time, where's the problem?
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...right there
 
cadbury said:
I understand C-208 Caravan is Single Pilot operated.

I wonder if I were to get "type rated" in this airplane, how much hours do I need for dual?

Not sure will it (C-208) appear on the FAA Certificate?

Can somebody enlight me? Thank you. :)
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You need a type rating for any aircraft with a max take off weight exceeding 12,500 lbs or that is turbojet or turbofan powered. The Caravan is a turboprop, and its MTOW is 8,750 lbs so no type rating is required. However, Flight Safety does have a full motion class D caravan simulator (several) and sometimes insurance requirements require you to go to a "initial type rating like" training event.
 
dustoff17 said:
Like MoxiePilot, you too missed the point of my post. I'm not recommending, endorsing, advocating, or otherwise suggesting that anyone utilize this program. This program is there and, whether you want to admit it or not, MIGHT just work for someone to get some experience and time. Also you apparently misread and misunderstand the regulations if you think (as you have written) that a non-qualified pilot can operate as a PIC. This program is for someone, like the OP, that might want to get to the left seat quicker at a company in AK.

So you can see just how far off base you are: The flights ARE freight, they run whether there is a right seater or not. The PICs are already settled in thier jobs and are quite happy. The company is not looking for PICs, they aren't working someone to move to the left seat, they don't want to hire you after you get XX amount of PIC time, they don't NEED a right seater..........

All of the PICs are CFI/CFII certificated. The company opens the right seat up for all the flights and, as an obvious benefit to themselves, offsets some of thier cost by giving instruction at the same time.

Since a new right seater can opt for as little or as much PIC time as they want AND can pay less than they would for a 182(wet) AND get turbine time AND build total time, where's the problem?
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I see. I don't think "PIC" that is also dual received time is of very much value. The whole point of PIC time is that you're making the decisions. Many companies seperate these two types of time, that is to say dual received isn't considered PIC for their minimums or application.

But other than that, this seems like the same sort of thing that Ameriflight and others have.

If given the choice between having a co-pilot and having 175lbs of extra fuel in a Caravan, I think I would always pick the fuel.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
You need a type rating for any aircraft with a max take off weight exceeding 12,500 lbs or that is turbojet or turbofan powered. The Caravan is a turboprop, and its MTOW is 8,750 lbs so no type rating is required. However, Flight Safety does have a full motion class D caravan simulator (several) and sometimes insurance requirements require you to go to a "initial type rating like" training event.
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Thank you SpiraMirabilis!

dustoff17 said:
MOST Caravans are operated single pilot. There is no "type rating" for this plane. The # of hours needed is really based on your abilities and your insurance requirements.

If you don't have an ATP, the Caravan won't show on your certificate. If you have or get an ATP, your certificate will just show "ATP Single Engine" (but this is true if you've only flown a 172).
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Thank you dustoff17!
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
You need a type rating for any aircraft with a max take off weight exceeding 12,500 lbs or that is turbojet or turbofan powered.
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I am thinking of getting type-rated in turbo-prop (with more than >12,500lbs).

Is there any school offer cheap and good turbo-prop type-rating course? No specific aircraft. So long appears in FAA Cert.

Not really for job application. :)
 
cadbury said:
I am thinking of getting type-rated in turbo-prop (with more than >12,500lbs).

Is there any school offer cheap and good turbo-prop type-rating course? No specific aircraft. So long appears in FAA Cert.

Not really for job application. :)
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There aren't a whole lot of turboprops (leaving regional airliners aside) that require a type rating. The only ones I can really think of that are used privately (that is to say are not regional airliners) are the King Air 350, 1900, and Metroliner or heavy merlins. All of these, especially the first one, are actually quite useful type ratings so that means if simulators exist they exist at the top tier training places (FSI, Simcom, CAE) because they still make money, hence you can expect to pay quite a bit.

What I am saying is a type rating in a small turboprop is going to cost you significantly more (at least double) than say if you wanted to get a type rating in a single pilot Citation jet, which you can pick up for about 5 grand.
 
Adler said:
...right there
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dustoff17 said:
............ want AND can pay less than they would for a 182(wet) AND get turbine time AND build total time, where's the problem?
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Or, right there!

SpiraMirabilis said:
I see. I don't think "PIC" that is also dual received time is of very much value. The whole point of PIC time is that you're making the decisions. Many companies seperate these two types of time, that is to say dual received isn't considered PIC for their minimums or application......
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That's the beauty of this program. They run you through all the systems and ground school and make you a Caravan pilot. You are making the decisions and you are logging "real" PIC. There is some dual but once you've reached the point where you can work on your own, they let you be the PIC (although of course they will be there to protect thier inetrest).

SpiraMirabilis said:
........If given the choice between having a co-pilot and having 175lbs of extra fuel in a Caravan, I think I would always pick the fuel.
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Your call if you're the PIC. However, if you're trying to become a PIC, then.............

Bottom line is I'm letting a fellow JC'er know of a good way to get some turbine time and PIC experience in a plane they're interested in. IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS PROGRAM, DON'T SIGN UP!!!!!
 
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