Payload Optimized

[R2D]

Not the flight plan, the load plan. The flight plan isn’t available until about 1 hour prior for a domestic and 1 1/2 hours prior for an international flight.

The flight plan is sent 1.5 to 3.5 hours before departure, but not available to the crew until the time you mentioned, unless requested.

The dispatcher, when they push the button on the flight plan, determines if the flight will be PO based on estimated weights and structural or performance limits. If PO is not noted on the flight plan when it is sent and it becomes necessary later, the load planner will call and confirm it is okay.

 

[Ayork62493]

Keep going North to BRU.

CDG is non-rev "Never Never Land". It is absolutely impossible to determine where you are on the standby list, the agents are absolutely heartless and the answer is always "We ahh FOOLY BOOked".

Yippee, I can’t wait. Anyways, I do have a question about your load planning. Do you wife body guys have any idea that there are stand by passengers they may be denying? Even if you could get them on? We are consistently weight restricted on the scooter but we do the planning ourselves to try and get everyone on.

 

[Cptnchia]

The dispatcher, when they push the button on the flight plan, determines if the flight will be PO based on estimated weights and structural or performance limits. If PO is not noted on the flight plan when it is sent and it becomes later, the load planner will call and confirm it is okay.

So the dispatcher determines if it’s payload optimized? You might want to tell all the other dispatchers in the OCC that, because EVERY time I call and ask why we’re payload optimized, I get the same answer, “I have no idea,”

 

[Finny]

CDG-CVG is a good option. KLM from anywhere in Europe to AMS to anywhere in the USA on DL is a easy ZED option as well.

 

[R2D]

So the dispatcher determines if it’s payload optimized? You might want to tell all the other dispatchers in the OCC that, because EVERY time I call and ask why we’re payload optimized, I get the same answer, “I have no idea,”

Correct. At my place of business, anyway.

I don't understand why they do know.

Payload optimization will be remarked on the flight plan adjacent to the weights section if applicable when it is sent, otherwise a load planner will advise dispatch that planned weights a exceed a limit before departure.

 

[Cptnchia]

Correct. At my place of business, anyway.

Maybe we don’t work at the same place?

 

[R2D]

Maybe we don’t work at the same place?

I was thinking the same. I won't tell and you won't tell.

If we do, it'd be awkward.

 

[derg]

Maybe we don’t work at the same place?

I don’t think we do.

Whenever I’ve called dispatch about that, they’re usually “Aroo? Why the crap is that on there, lemme call load planning and see what the deal is”

 

[Cptnchia]

I was thinking the same. I won't tell and you won't tell.

If we do, it'd be awkward.

I work for a large airline based in the land of peaches.

 

[Cptnchia]

I don’t think we do.

Whenever I’ve called dispatch about that, they’re usually “Aroo? Why the crap is that on there, lemme call load planning and see what the deal is”

I get that all the time. Actually had a call where the load planner didn’t even know. It just “auto optimized” itself.

 

[derg]

I get that all the time. Actually had a call where the load planner didn’t even know. It just “auto optimized” itself.

Don’t tell the pilot wives FB groups that! Ha!

Apparently one of them said I was full of poo when I gave Kristie that answer and she was told to let me know that I was full of BS.

 

[derg]

I work for a large airline based in the land of peaches.

Duckhead shirts, khakis and instead of “congrats on the new jet” it’s “Greenslips, hoe are the greenslips on that thing? OMG I’ve been home two days last month but look at my credit for the month” (“I’m sure your wife and the tennis pro are really enjoying your being out of the house and all that loot”)

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Whenever I’ve called dispatch about that, they’re usually “Aroo? Why the crap is that on there, lemme call load planning and see what the deal is”

Try explaining that you can't push until you're in possession of your numbers. Hello, regional-mainline interface.

 

[Flagship_dxer]

Even though most pilots dont know or believe it, load planners and dispatchers are pretty busy and work dozens of flights in a short time span. Its always easy not to remember why a certain flight was weight restricted until you look at the numbers or speak with a load planner/dispatcher. A load planner wont likely know what is causing a flight to be landing weight or performance MTOW limited and the dispatcher isnt likely to know why a more conservative load planner slapped a weight restiction on a flight with weight still to play with. There is supposed to be communication between the two departments but often both sides are busy and this doesnt always happen like it should. Communication is often one of the first things that breaks down when things get busy and hectic.

One of the big things in a load planning department is limiting delays caused by last minute offloading of payload. A number of weight restrictions are because of this. Load planners have to explain and held to account for weight and balance delays.

 

[Flagship_dxer]

Speaking of weight restrictions, pilots often struggle to wrap their heads around max zero fuel weight restrictions. No amount of fuel reduction, altitude changes, or CG change is going to help get more people on. Pilots have even accused me of being untruthful about a max zero fuel weight restriction because they have never seen it before and cant believe the airline would try to put so much payload on.

The other thing that is a pet peeve is taking calls from pilots who say they want the extra fuel and dont care if it bumps people only to call up a little bit later and want to burn all the extra fuel they just added on the ground before takeoff because they dont want to bump anyone.

 

[H46Bubba]

Heck they even payload optimize flights between SNA, ATL, and MSP!

 

[Xcaliber]

So since we're talking payload optimization, what is the actual, written policy for OAL jumpseaters on PO'd flights at big D? I've had a redcoat tell me jumpseaters are never affected by PO, I've had several tell me that that only applies to Delta pilots, and I've had one that even refused to list me (not even check in, just list) because the flight was PO'd.

 

[Cptnchia]

So since we're talking payload optimization, what is the actual, written policy for OAL jumpseaters on PO'd flights at big D? I've had a redcoat tell me jumpseaters are never affected by PO, I've had several tell me that that only applies to Delta pilots, and I've had one that even refused to list me (not even check in, just list) because the flight was PO'd.

Delta pilots and FAs, who hold a Jumpseat reservation, are included in the BOW, and are not affected by PO. Any walk ups, including Delta employees, cannot be listed at the gate.

 

[jtrain609]

So since we're talking payload optimization, what is the actual, written policy for OAL jumpseaters on PO'd flights at big D? I've had a redcoat tell me jumpseaters are never affected by PO, I've had several tell me that that only applies to Delta pilots, and I've had one that even refused to list me (not even check in, just list) because the flight was PO'd.

Cptnchia is correct, but my experience is that it depends on where you're at and how the load planner is feeling that day. I've protected in SLC and LAX, but I've been told the cockpit jumpseat isn't included in the BOW in DTW.

 

[Cptnchia]

Cptnchia is correct, but my experience is that it depends on where you're at and how the load planner is feeling that day. I've protected in SLC and LAX, but I've been told the cockpit jumpseat isn't included in the BOW in DTW.

What I posted is straight from the FOM. Load planner cannot change how the Jumpseat is counted. What you experienced Was the PO being lifted to get you on. Once they determine that it’s not needed, it gets removed. Usually takes the captain calling to get them to do it though.