Partial Panel G1000

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Fly-Til-I-Die24-7

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I would like to hear how some of you guys who instruct in the garmins teach and simulate partial panel operation. Do any of you pull circuit breakers for the ahars?
 
That funky switch labeled "off".


And a well placed post-it. I'm really no fan of the G1000 from a training standpoint.
 
Here at UND we have some laminated cutouts that were made with two holes on either side that go over the NAV and the COM big knobs so they stay in place. They work great! but we make them in house. If I didnt have those, id start pulling stuff, its what the G1000 manual tells you to do anyways. Garmin also has a G1000 guide for CFI's and DPE's that tell you which things to pull for what simulation, its really nice.

Another thing id like to mention is the cutouts work great except for one thing. The CDI will still show sensitivity as to how close you left or right. If there was a real failure, it only shows it you are left or right of course, theres no sensitivity. So its not 100% but they work pretty good.

I think i want to jack one before I leave just incase :cwm27:
 
How about just dimming the PFD and not allowing to use reversionary mode?

Per the Garmin DPE guide this is the correct procedure on check rides allowing applications to only use GPS approaches.

No cost at all :)
 
I second the cutout idea. Cessna recommends against pulling breakers, though there are some unique things about the actual failures so I usually pull them a few times on the student. The majority of the partial-panel training can be done with a cutout. I'll try to post more at lunchtime if someone else hasn't covered it by then.
 
Roger said:
I second the cutout idea. Cessna recommends against pulling breakers, though there are some unique things about the actual failures so I usually pull them a few times on the student. The majority of the partial-panel training can be done with a cutout. I'll try to post more at lunchtime if someone else hasn't covered it by then.
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Not just Cessna, but most manufacturers. The breakers are not designed to be switches. If they are used as switches, over time, they will probably fail... meaning they may not pop if there is a short. While you may only pull them occasionally, so may the next CFI... and the next CFI... and soon you have a worn CB.
I use a Power Point presentation to show pilots what they will actually see along a with a quiz on it; I've used the dimming method in the aircraft. Until I have access to a simulator that's the best I can do.
 
Blackhawk, I sent you a PM. At Cessna, we are advised against using the breakers as switches, for aforementioned reasons. The plastic laminates from Sportys are a great idea in theory, but I question their durability. I second the opinion of dimming and not using rever. mode.
 
Planedriver28 said:
Blackhawk, I sent you a PM. At Cessna, we are advised against using the breakers as switches, for aforementioned reasons. The plastic laminates from Sportys are a great idea in theory, but I question their durability. I second the opinion of dimming and not using rever. mode.
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PMed you back... not sure how to post in a message and I don't think I can post a Powerpoint here.
 
I did my instrument in G1000 and my CFII had a black vinyl cover that just went over the whole screen... worked pretty well and won't blow something like pulling the CB might. And if you need the PFD in a hurry for something you don't have to brighten it or wait for it to kick back on. :)
 
tlove482 said:
It's almost pointless. All your doing is seeing if a student can push the red button.
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Not when you're simulating an AHRS failure resulting in a short circuit, which pops the AHRS breakers (2 of them IIRC), which also cuts power to the ADC...

There are a lot more intricacies to the system than "oh noes, my screen broke, let me push the red button". For instance, if you lose a GDU (not just the screen part of it but complete functionality of the display unit) you lose the associated nav/comm. I've seen many a student in the sim set themself up for a lost comm situation when they didn't realize that.
 
I have just pulled the AHRS on him. Student's own DA40XL that had a two year unlimited warranty on it, so he didn't care.

For the people that use covers, exactly how do you do partial panel approaches realistically in the G1000? An AHRS failure causes the HSI to revert to a normal VOR head with no heading information. If you just cover the system up, how can you do the approaches realistically?
 
My preference for simulating partial panel in the G1000 is with a low en route chart or sectional. An open chart folded such that two panels are displayed side-by-side can be placed between the G1000 control knobs with reasonable security. This is a relatively low cost and handy solution.
 
Roger said:
Not when you're simulating an AHRS failure resulting in a short circuit, which pops the AHRS breakers (2 of them IIRC), which also cuts power to the ADC...

There are a lot more intricacies to the system than "oh noes, my screen broke, let me push the red button". For instance, if you lose a GDU (not just the screen part of it but complete functionality of the display unit) you lose the associated nav/comm. I've seen many a student in the sim set themself up for a lost comm situation when they didn't realize that.
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Yeah, it is much more intricate than just flying partial panel. For example, what portions of the autopilot are lost? GFC 700 vs. KAP-140.
Very hard to realistically do some of the failures without a sim.
 
Blackhawk said:
Very hard to realistically do some of the failures without a sim.
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Yup. Although, our sim didn't get it right...in the airplane, with no AHRS, the track vector on the MFD will freeze. It stays there in the sim.
 
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