Part Time Airline Pilots

propsync said:
I know it's hard to see, but I think it's going to happen at some regionals. There just isn't much of a choice. We are now just at the leading edge of the problem. The problem doesn't reach it's peak for another 6 years. In 6 years, 1/3 of all airline pilots in the United States will retire.
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You solve a shortage by putting guys in seats for as much time as they legally can be there. Not by putting guys in seats for a trip a month.
 
BobDDuck said:
You solve a shortage by putting guys in seats for as much time as they legally can be there. Not by putting guys in seats for a trip a month.
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I'm not sure adding another 100 hours of annual flying to each pilots schedule is going to solve the problem. Here is how I see the magnitude of the problem. It's likely Silver and Great Lakes will shutter this year. That will dump a few hundred pilots into the hiring mix. Further, there are still pilots in the training / instructing pipeline that will eventually be qualified this year and into next year. But after that, there is nobody in the pipeline.

The regionals are now living through the effects of part 117 rest, 1500/ATP, and come August 1st of this year the new ATP training rules kick in.

Pilots pursuing a Restricted ATP certificate must also complete an ATP certification training program. The program will include 30 hours of ground training and 10 hours of simulator training. The program must be completed prior to being eligible to take the ATP written and practical tests. The 10 hours of simulator training will include 6 hours of training in a level C or D (full motion) simulator. According to the rule, this course will only be offered through Part 141, 142, 135 or 121 certificate holders, not allowing for Part 61 flight schools to develop courses and provide the training.​
 
Seggy said:
Sure about that?
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Yes, I meant Southwest, not Airtran. For all practical purposes the merger is complete with the 717s being transferred to Delta under long term leases and the Airtran 737s being assimiliated into SWA. Their pilots will transition to SWA pay at a point in the future, not right now, but that's what they voted yes for.
 
Cptnchia said:
Somehow I knew I could count on a condescending answer from you.
I'm 50 YO. How old are you?
I was an officer in the USMC. where did you serve?
I was a teamster roofer in high school, and worked as a tool pusher on an oil rig in college. Been labor a lot longer than you.
I paid for all my flight time part 61 and worked as a CFI, meat missile driver, and any other flying job I could finagle to build time.
I worked in management for a finance company and was a stock broker before flying for a living. I also was a flight ops manager for an ACMI while furloughed.

Contrary to your opinion of yourself, you aren't the most talented, smartest, or experienced person on this site.
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Thanks for deflating my resume to your employer. :)
 
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propsync said:
Pilots pursuing a Restricted ATP certificate must also complete an ATP certification training program. The program will include 30 hours of ground training and 10 hours of simulator training. The program must be completed prior to being eligible to take the ATP written and practical tests. The 10 hours of simulator training will include 6 hours of training in a level C or D (full motion) simulator. According to the rule, this course will only be offered through Part 141, 142, 135 or 121 certificate holders, not allowing for Part 61 flight schools to develop courses and provide the training.​
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I'd guess that those 30 hours of ground and 10 hours of sim training are all things already covered in a 121 (or 135 if they use a sim) initial program. It will simply involve checking the boxes. The only difference is that now an applicant will have to take an ATP written before they take their ATP and type ride at the end of the training.

Not much to see there.
 
There are a lot of part time jobs in the simulator instructor side of the business, both corporate and airline.

Ferrying aircraft for leasing companies; contract pilot work; short term agency contract; etc are all possible ways to do some part time flying.

It can be done, but it is usually highly experienced pilots that are doing it. Having been out of the business for over a decade would make it much more difficult for the OP to find positions like that.


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Cptnchia said:
Right, because you and Seggy are the only people who held a position in ALPA. I, however choose not to make it known I did too.
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Thousands of pilots have held ALPA positions. But someone who does safety work doesn't know about collective bargaining, and somebody who did pro standards work doesn't know about dispute resolution. Etc. Forget about me for a second. @Seggy was an MEC chairman during some absolutely incredible events, a union organizer, and a national officer. Do you really think your ALPA resume is going to be more significant than his? I thank you for whatever service you did for your fellow pilots, but your ego is a persistent issue. You just can't seem to accept that you, a 50 year old Delta pilot, doesn't have the experience of a 30-something year old legacy FO. It really seems to get under your skin. Let it go and admit that sometimes you don't have the knowledge and experience that someone else does. Just like he (and I) don't have the experience that you do in other matters.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
No, it's not that. It's the whole 'quitting now because this isn't what I thought it should be.' Good for him for having a side business that pays better. But lets not forget the current employer is the highest paying 737 operator in the world. In the airline pilot world, what more could you ask for than working for the most stable and highest paying company? And I said nothing about flying 1000 hours a year. But come on, 80 hrs and then complaining that it is likely to change? We all signed up for this job to be paid to fly a plane. Living in base and bidding reserve is golden when you are not used and only fly 80 hrs in a year. But tell me that no one entered this field hanging onto that hope of getting paid to sit home and thinking they'd ride some sort of gravy train?
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Seggy said:
You still sure Southwest pays more than Delta and/or United for the 737?
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Yes. I mentioned pay specifically, not retirement etc. I don't know what UAL and DAL retirement is, it's probably better than SWA I would imagine. But on a pay-only basis, converting SWA trip hour into a comparable salary is tricky but I do believe they come out a little ahead even today. Strictly on a pay basis.




ClarkGriswold said:
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So..... you don't have a point. Sorry I don't view lazy pilots too well. No one said fly a 1000 hrs /year. No one said reserves shouldn't be used more than 80 hrs per year. But complain about leaving the company because "that won't be possible anymore" then please send the duct tape that way.
 
BobDDuck said:
I'd guess that those 30 hours of ground and 10 hours of sim training are all things already covered in a 121 (or 135 if they use a sim) initial program. It will simply involve checking the boxes. The only difference is that now an applicant will have to take an ATP written before they take their ATP and type ride at the end of the training.

Not much to see there.
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Well, you have to take this training to receive a graduation certificate. You need a graduation certificate in order to take the ATP written exam. I'm not sure if you realize that or if you are just saying part of a new hire airline pilots training will now include an additional 1-2 weeks before indoc starts.
 
You're right, I didn't participate in airline labor relations as a unionist. I was however part of a management team that negotiated an ALPA contract. I was in the room when the principals were formulating their negotiating strategy, and saw and heard what they thought of union guys.

Excuse me for not having any faith in the unionists because of it. I support ALPA, I donate to the PAC, I see the disunity within pilot groups and I don't believe national has the ability to fix it. Our adversary is organized, focused, and ruthless. I'll fight the good fight, but frankly I am disillusioned by the leadership. Face it, we're the Finns to Stalin's Red Army in the '30s.
 
Cptnchia said:
Excuse me for not having any faith in the unionists because of it. I support ALPA, I donate to the PAC, I see the disunity within pilot groups and I don't believe national has the ability to fix it. Our adversary is organized, focused, and ruthless. I'll fight the good fight, but frankly I am disillusioned by the leadership. Face it, we're the Finns to Stalin's Red Army in the '30s.
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Actually, I don't particularly disagree with any of this.
 
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