aviatoralex
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I was wondering what the differences are between a Part 141/61 or any other flight school type is.
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Part 61/141 Differences
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KSCessnaDriver
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Paperwork and cost, is really all it is. A part 141 school has a specific course outline they must follow with a student. In return, they get a lower number of hours required to complete a certificate.
JOEFRIDAY2
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Keep in mind that as you "save" hours by going to a part 141 school, that means that you are going to be "short" those saved hours when you go and apply for a job.
Remember all employers ask for minimum flight times when they post a job.
They usually don't discount those minimums for attending a part 141 school.
Joe
Remember all employers ask for minimum flight times when they post a job.
They usually don't discount those minimums for attending a part 141 school.
Joe
poser765
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GENERALLY speaking 141 schools are more structured. A 141 school has to have their syllabus approved by the FAA where a 61 school can do whatever. Since it is more structured in a 141 school the FAA allows for lower flight time requirements for certificates and ratings.
Now I said generally above. Some 61 schools are really structured, they just haven't gone through the 141 certification process. So the idea that 141 schools are better or more professional than 61 schools is hardly the case.
Now I said generally above. Some 61 schools are really structured, they just haven't gone through the 141 certification process. So the idea that 141 schools are better or more professional than 61 schools is hardly the case.
KSCessnaDriver
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Really, you want to go that route? Specifically, why does it build a "more professional pilot"?
poser765
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I don't relly think it is the part the school operates under that determines the quality of a school, but the training philosophy of the school.
There are some 141 schools out there that put out some really junk pilots. Likewise there are 61 schools out there that put out some really top notch pilots.
The only guarantee with a 141 school is the administration was willing to jump through the hoops for certification.
jspeed87
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I got my Private part 61. I did my instrument rating part 141, and I was well prepared for my checkride. You absorb all the information easier because it's structured. The Stage checks are challenging and at the end of the course, I was more then ready for the oral/ride. Part 61, it depends if you got a good instructor who will teach you more then what's in the PTS, it can be worth it.
KSCessnaDriver
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See, I've done training Part 61, 141 and 142. The only difference I see, is in my experience in the 141/142 world, there is more emphasis on teaching people how to fly procedures, rather than how to fly an airplane. I've seen little decision making taught in the 141/142 environment, because the school basically decides if the weather is too bad for you to fly or not.
Long story short, if someone is really motivated to learn, it doesn't matter what they do it in. If someone needs their hand held the whole time, go 141 and waste the money that is associated with it. People who do the commercial course in 141 are only shooting themselves in the foot, because of the lower time required to get the rating.
JOEFRIDAY2
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Can't agree with that one. Done both and did not find that to be true.
Remember you usually get less flying time at a 141 school.
Joe
Inverted25
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I respect your opinion but I disagree with it. In my experience part 141 poorly prepares the pilot for the real world of flying where they have to make decision and use their skills. They may be able to answer alot of books question right, but they tend to lack true judgement. This is just from my personal experience though. Its doesnt apply to all 141 schools just the ones i have perosnally dealt with. I think there is way to much hand holding going on at 141 schools. I liked Part 61 because it allows the instructor to structure their teaching approach and lesson structures to meet that individuals skill set. Part 141 everyone does the lessons in the same order and that one size fits all approach doesnt work and leaves many students behind and failing stage checks. If you have a quality instructor I beleive part 61 is leaps and bounds better than part 141. Plus in part 61 you can experience soo much more of aviation then 141 students can. Such as glider flying and back country taildraggers. All during the course of builidng time for your commercial. And you arent limited to what airports you can go to. I loved being able to say hey I'm flying to the east coast this weekend when I was builidng time for my commercial. All just my 2 cents though and I dont expect you to agree with me.
jspeed87
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True, it really depends on the school and/or instructor. My CFI showed me spins on my Private. Had I went to a 141 school, I wouldn't have experienced spins during my PPL training. But my knowledge was lacking, I really didn't feel prepared even though I was greasing my short fields and landings. 141 is more structured and neat which is what I meant about being geared towards the professional pilot. The commercial should be done part 61 in my opinion. Your going to need those extra hours anyways.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
Dood, your ridiculous statement is just as ridiculous as this ridiculous statement.
Threat ridiculously neutralized.
KSCessnaDriver
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I'm just calling it as I've seen in it. In my experience, there is a large amount of time used/wasted (depending on how you look at it) spent on learning how to follow an operations manual of a specific flight school. Is that a skill worth learning, sure. Is it worth learning those things while also learning how to fly a plane, no, I don't believe so.
I've learned more, in terms of experience, flying in part 61 than I have in part 141/142. Maybe its because there isn't a 200+ page operations manual that has to be followed. Maybe its because as a student, I had to decide what the weather was doing, rather than looking at a silly 3 number code to tell if I can fly or not. Maybe its because I didn't do a commercial course where nearly the whole thing is babysat by a CFI, in order to lower the total time requirement for the certificate.
Do I think 141/142 has its place, yes. Do I think that one is inherently better than the other, no. I think it depends on the student, the students willingness to learn, and how a flight school operates/treats their students.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
61 all the way, baby!
Your training quality - regardless of which portions of Title 14 CFR it is conducted under - is a function of two things:
(1) Your interest in aviation, and
(2) Your instructor's interest in making you a good pilot.
Outside of those two things, nothing else matters. Remember that hour minimums are just those - minimums...
Part 141 is really good for foreing guys that just want the ratings. Im not really sure but I think I got my CPL with 100 hours. The minimum was something like 140 hours of which 40 could be done in an FTD. After that I got my CFI and CFII with really low flight times (under 200).
side note: I went with my foreing private license (The hours you spend as a student getting your PPL do not count towards your TT in my country, so my actual flight time when I got my CPL was about 140TT, even though I had only logged 100).
I was delighted with the flight training provided at the 141 flight school. Some ppl bitched and complained about it all the time, but for me it was a nice change from the cowboy flying I was used to hehe.
It is true what they say, you dont spend that much time really FLYING the airplane. The emphasis is mainly on the procedures.
side note: I went with my foreing private license (The hours you spend as a student getting your PPL do not count towards your TT in my country, so my actual flight time when I got my CPL was about 140TT, even though I had only logged 100).
I was delighted with the flight training provided at the 141 flight school. Some ppl bitched and complained about it all the time, but for me it was a nice change from the cowboy flying I was used to hehe.
It is true what they say, you dont spend that much time really FLYING the airplane. The emphasis is mainly on the procedures.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
Use your good eye.
I can guarantee my students on JC would attest that there is no 200+ manual for them to read. If you are talking about certain shops, you should say so, instead of giving all 141 a black eye.