part 141 vs. part 61

gymhaus

gymhaus

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what are some of the main differences in these two types of training facilities? I know 141 is more official, i suppose is a good way to say it. I am just confused what is the difference if its all pts anyways?
 
gymhaus said:
what are some of the main differences in these two types of training facilities? I know 141 is more official, i suppose is a good way to say it. I am just confused what is the difference if its all pts anyways?
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In a nutshell:

141 - stage checks, less hours to complete a rating

61 - normally no stage checks, more hours to complete

:insane:
 
cue the 141 haters.

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You do it right at the only difference is what the previous poster said -
141 - stage checks, less hours to complete a rating

61 - normally no stage checks, more hours to complete
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You do it wrong and people cry.

You are right, the PTS is the same.
 
There are arguments in both directions, but in reality, the quality of the school can be from one extreme to the other. If there is any distinction between the two it is that the GI Bill and state vocational training programs will usually only pay for training at 141 schools.
 
IMO, ultimately, the only real difference is that 141 has an FAA-approved curriculum with =required= phase checks that is periodically montored and that calls for less hours to complete training.

Quality of program, quality of instruction will vary so you can't really make any generalizations about that.
 
Either way - it's great the FAA allows each type. Some are definitely better for different personality types.
 
In my experience, Part 141 is less flexible on what you can do on a certain day. You've got your syllabus, and if you're up to Lesson 9, and lesson 9 calls for ground reference and stalls, that's what you're doing, even if you'd really like to work on landings that day. Part 61 has no such restrictions.

That said, I did most of my training under 141, and I don't regret it. What part you train under is ultimately FAR less important than how good the school you train at is, and how good your instructor is.
 
thanks guys, and thanks for the link to the other thread. i searched it and couldn't find anything related so i decided make a new one. anyways, i got asked this in an interview and since i had no 61 experience all i could answer was i knew it would require more hours in 61. i'm glad to be armed with more ammo if i should be asked this again. thanks all
 
FullDeflection said:
In a nutshell:

141 - stage checks, less hours to complete a rating

61 - normally no stage checks, more hours to complete

:insane:
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Specific aircraft have to be on the 141 certificate for the training/flying to "count" as well - right? I don't have 14 CFR in front of me. (Whereas us Part 61 bums can fly whichever we want to meet the aeronautical experience requirements.)
 
pt. 141 is ussually sold as a time saver. But in the end, not many places are ging to hire you if you have your CFI at 190hrs. I worked at both, and prefered teaching pt61. I could go anywhere, and when the student was proficent at something, I didn't have to follow the TCO(I think thats what it was called).

The way I see it is you can spend a your money and get your ratings with 190hours, and less experince, or you can spend you money and get your ratings with around 250'ish ours for about the same dollar amount. Plus most 141 schools have a list of approved airports. If I want to go to some airport in the middle of BFE because thats where I want to go, I don't want to have to check with the school that if I go there, the flight isn't going to count.

Part 141 isn't quite the Nazi Germany it's made out to be. But it deffinatly isn't part 61, go anywhere, do anything approach to aviation that I was after.
 
mshunter said:
Not lost a job, but not hired.


Edit: I didn't know them personally, but I watched the resume go into the round file.
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Well no offense if you know the guy personally, but if X shop is in the market of hiring green CFIs, not hiring an instructor due to 190 hrs vs 250 is flat dumb.
What in the world would that matter in the world of instruction. There may have been other factors.

By and large, I've never seen it matter. A green CFI is green.
 
I like the fact that our syllabi have specific task that could be omitted part 61. I'm not assuming they would be, but at least we are held accountable with 141 enrollement.

I conduct all of those things with my part 61 students as well, but that's only because I want to do everything I can for them during their training. At least with the 141 syllabus I can't have a bad day. ;)

btw, I'm talking about things like no landing light landings, intersection holds with one radio, complete slow flight / stall series at night. Stuff like that.
 
I trained and instructed Part 91, and I never had to wear a stoopid pile-it uniform, nor did I have a chief pilot, DO or any other gay title stolen from the 121/135 world to enhance the ego of piper warrior/cessna 172 sky cadets!
:insane:

Like others have said, the most important part is to find a good instructor. If you have a good instructor, part 61/141 wont make a difference.
 
I believe there are also requirements for classroom funtionality (space, lighting, etc) for 141
 
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