Part 135 Certification Costs

JaceTheAce

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What would be a ball-park figure for Part 135 certification costs for a small start up charter/on-demand company? A King Air C90 or other twin Cessna might be our options to consider. I'm guessing $100,000 at least to get everything kosher (lawyer fees too).

I found this website but it seems too cheap:
http://www.usac.com/faa/Price.asp
 
I'd say thats about right. I wouldn't go at it without a full staff of maintenance and operations. If you're having to pay out the maintenance bill to a 145 repair station, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Also try to get your own fuel farm and pay wholesale, or at least work a deal with the FBO from which you might/will be operating.

The real money is the consulting FOR the 135 companies. The people my boss contracted are paid close to, if not more than, what a top end lawyer makes per hour. It is a father/son team, the father being the former director of the South Carolina FSDO. They also got that large, well known 91K operator up and running when the FAA started requiring fractional companies to go through basically the same certification process as 135 operators. Their tail numbers end in QS if you need help figuring out the company.

DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, ever, ever, ever buy one of those pre-written 135 applications. You walk into the meeting with the FAA with one of those and you will be laughed out when you don't know what the heck is even in YOUR OWN APPLICATION. The FAA has told me that they have asked people to leave their offices and come back when they were better prepared. Its just like a commercial check ride...you better know your stuff cold. After all, you're ASKING them to allow you to carry paying passengers around in multi million dollar airplanes. It ain't no joke, and shouldn't be purchased over the internet.
 
You may want to try researching and adding your aircraft to an existing 135 operation. You can pay someone that already has an existing small part 135 certificate to let you get in on some of the action, or just let you operate your aircraft as your own company just listing the plane as one of theirs.

I'm not exactly sure how it works legally, but I know people do it.
 
Its called management. If you're going to allow a company to fly your airplane on a 135 certificate, only those pilots/crewmembers that have been through that company's training classes can operate the airplane. The FAA requires a 135 company to have "operational control" of the aircraft in use, which includes crewing, maintenance and any general operation of the aircraft. You have to lease the airplane to that company to show operational control. There are many different lease agreements to be made; we'd always push a sort of "dollar lease" (we would pay them a nominal fee per month, nothing really, maybe 10 cents) with a 70% return to the owner for each hour of Part 135 use. After the rash of fatal crashes with shady 135 operations, the FAA really started cracking down on this type of stuff and issed an overhauled section of ops specs relating to operational control.
 
Jace, what else do you need to know. I've got quite a bit of 135 certification knowledge and experience from my current job.
 
What would be a ball-park figure for Part 135 certification costs for a small start up charter/on-demand company? A King Air C90 or other twin Cessna might be our options to consider. I'm guessing $100,000 at least to get everything kosher (lawyer fees too).

I found this website but it seems too cheap:
http://www.usac.com/faa/Price.asp

I used USAC for my 135 Documents. They did a nice job. However, my docs were on the simple side (Single Pilot, piston twin Cert) and there were still some issues with paperwork. I figured they would have a perfect system, but it isn't. If you don't have time to do it yourself, this is a good way to go. But like my POI told me, if you do it yourself, you know exactly what you CAN and CANNOT do when you get your certification. When someone else writes your docs, no matter how much you review them, you always miss something.

Michael
 
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