part 121 line check...a BFR?

[ftyflyboy]

I had a good question today. Flew with a Republic FO for a check out on our 172RG. He flew just fine and had no problems getting signed off on our equipment.
As we were chatting after flying I found that he had not had an official BFR in 3 years, since his initial CFI checkride to be exact. As a part 121 FO he is routinely line checked every 6-months. Do his line checks qualify as proficiency checks in lieu of an actual BFR?

 

[Chris_Ford]

"PCs" count as BFRs. Which are probably what he meant, because I thought line checks were a captain thing.

 

[Jason]

Line checks are a captain thing. Yes, 121 and 135 checkrides count as BFRs - I'm too lazy to look it up but it's in the FARs somewhere.

 

[Blackhawk]

As do military checkrides.
As a former military and 121 pilot, depending on the type of flying they are doing, I would still encourage these pilots to get BFRs in GA airplanes as well. They are different beasts.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

I had a good question today. Flew with a Republic FO for a check out on our 172RG. He flew just fine and had no problems getting signed off on our equipment.
As we were chatting after flying I found that he had not had an official BFR in 3 years, since his initial CFI checkride to be exact. As a part 121 FO he is routinely line checked every 6-months. Do his line checks qualify as proficiency checks in lieu of an actual BFR?

FYI, the CFI checkride didn't count as a flight review. 61.56(d)

A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege need not accomplish the flight review required by this section.

A flight instructor certificate is not a pilot certificate.

Did he get a specific sign off from the examiner saying that he had completed a flight review? If not, it didn't count.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...00/interpretations/data/interps/2008/levy.pdf

 

[Blackhawk]

FYI, the CFI checkride didn't count as a flight review. 61.56(d)




http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...00/interpretations/data/interps/2008/levy.pdf

Not necessarily. Read the entire letter. In and of itselft, you are right, a CFI checkride does not count as a flight review.

"However, 14 CFR 61.56(a)(2) states that the person giving a flight review has the discretion
to determine the maneuvers and procedures necessary for the pilot to demonstrate "safe
exercise of the privileges ofthe pilot certificate." When the individual taking a flight
instructor practical test requests that the test be taken in conjunction with a biennial flight
review, the activities related to the flight instructor practical test may be evaluated by the
examiner for demonstrating the maneuvers and procedures necessary to accomplish a flight​

review."

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

Not necessarily. Read the entire letter. In and of itselft, you are right, a CFI checkride does not count as a flight review.

"However, 14 CFR 61.56(a)(2) states that the person giving a flight review has the discretion
to determine the maneuvers and procedures necessary for the pilot to demonstrate "safe
exercise of the privileges ofthe pilot certificate." When the individual taking a flight
instructor practical test requests that the test be taken in conjunction with a biennial flight
review, the activities related to the flight instructor practical test may be evaluated by the
examiner for demonstrating the maneuvers and procedures necessary to accomplish a flight​

review."

Yeah, I addressed this at the bottom of the post.

Did he get a specific sign off from the examiner saying that he had completed a flight review? If not, it didn't count.

 

[JJ429PA]

A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege need not accomplish the flight review required by this section.

It says pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege...I'm probably wrong but isn't the CFI a rating?

 

[USMCmech]

It says pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege...I'm probably wrong but isn't the CFI a rating?

No, it's not. It's a flight instructor certificate, which is independant of your pilot cert.


I agree that it's stupid, but that is the way the regulation is written, and interperted by the FAA.