Pacific Wings

Baronpilot244 said:
Saw them yesterday in and out of BNA - they have a little office in Atlantic's FBO. After reading the posts about them no wonder the pilots look miserable.

Bp244
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They fly from BNA to/from ATL and MKL (Jackson, TN) of all places.

The area I work in at Memphis Center works them in and out of MKL. I've been trying to talk the wife into taking a trip to Nashville with them (she doesn't like to fly) the next time I go to see my brother.
 
I'm not generally an alarmist about "safety", but I at the very least I wouldn't go flying with these dudes if it's icing out. Not because it's a 208, but because it's a non-FIKI 208...how the FAA hasn't nailed them by now, I do not know.
 
I went to an informational meeting about them about 3 years back. They were looking for FOs and the pay was somewhere around $8/hr. Other pilot duties included helping with the check-in process, loading bags, and whatnot. I wasn't impressed.
 
Piperflyer said:
Do they not have boots on thier mainland aircraft? I know the two in Hawaii don't.
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None that I've ever seen. The leading edges are painted black so it looks like they have boots. I was going to ask how Helen Keller was appointed their POI, but she'd FEEL that they don't have boots...
 
Amazingly enough, Pacific Wings fires pilots for not wanting to fly non-FIKI aircraft into ... known icing conditions. I know a guy who got fired for refusing to fly into an area with a SIGMET.
 
Boris Badenov said:
None that I've ever seen. The leading edges are painted black so it looks like they have boots. I was going to ask how Helen Keller was appointed their POI, but she'd FEEL that they don't have boots...
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:rotfl:@ the Helen Keller part.

Wow, painting the leading edges black so it looks like they have boots? Wow. Just wow. That speaks volumes about how the company works.
 
And here we have an inept FAA who can't figure out training standards, flight/duty time regulations, and we're also suppose to believe that they actually INSPECT some of these mickey mouse "airlines."

Unreal.
 
I bet they still have a stack of resumes. THe $8000 training contract, that they say is obligatory no matter who decides to break it, is laughable. Who would sign up for that? But someone will.
 
Boris Badenov said:
None that I've ever seen. The leading edges are painted black so it looks like they have boots. I was going to ask how Helen Keller was appointed their POI, but she'd FEEL that they don't have boots...
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The 208 I saw in BNA didn't have boots unless they were very cleverly camouflaged, the leading edges were the same color as the rest of the plane - white. (unless you count the green stripe and "Ecojet" painted on the side).

Bp244
 
I saw about 2 resumes on the my CP's desk with the last job was 'Pacific Wings / Georgia Skies' 'Whatever - Present' this week.
 
cmill said:
+1

Just because its in a contract, and you sign it, doesnt make it legal or enforceable.
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And we wonder why mortgage system is having problems right now. If one agrees to sign a conract one should honor it. If one, don't agree with it then don't sign it pretty simple. It seem people today don't want to be accountable for their actions.

Some training contracts are enforceable and other may not be after a fight. Even if you fight you are going to have to spend some coin on a lawyer.

Waiting for JTRAIN's response...
 
Bandit_Driver said:
And we wonder why mortgage system is having problems right now. If one agrees to sign a conract one should honor it. If one, don't agree with it then don't sign it pretty simple. It seem people today don't want to be accountable for their actions.

Some training contracts are enforceable and other may not be after a fight. Even if you fight you are going to have to spend some coin on a lawyer.

Waiting for JTRAIN's response...
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Most pilot training contracts are based on unfounded protections for the person making the contract. Most of them are technically illegal since you can't force someone to essentially pay for a job if they leave since training cost is part of an operations budget anyways. Perfect case is this shady operator. Who in their right clean conscience would force someone to sign 8000 dollars of a training contract to fly on a Cessna Caravan, a 172 with a turbine engine, payable even if involuntary forced to leave! Nothing to do with a mortgage contract and everything to do with principle and self interest.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
And we wonder why mortgage system is having problems right now. If one agrees to sign a conract one should honor it. If one, don't agree with it then don't sign it pretty simple. It seem people today don't want to be accountable for their actions.
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As a general rule, I agree. However (and I have no evidence that this is the case with the operator in question, but there's a great deal of hearsay and innuendo), what if you were routinely threatened with being fired for failing to break FARs, pencil whip duty times, fly a non-FIKI aircraft in icing, etc? What if your paychecks didn't arrive on time, or were chronically short of what they should be? A contract is a two way street.

I've never reneged on a contract, and I never plan to, but I've also never had an employer that didn't hold up their end of the bargain.
 
Boris Badenov said:
As a general rule, I agree. However (and I have no evidence that this is the case with the operator in question, but there's a great deal of hearsay and innuendo), what if you were routinely threatened with being fired for failing to break FARs, pencil whip duty times, fly a non-FIKI aircraft in icing, etc? What if your paychecks didn't arrive on time, or were chronically short of what they should be? A contract is a two way street.
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Which is why you don't sign a ridiculous contract to begin with.
 
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