Opinions of the school - How well did it meet your expectations?

"I think it fair to point out that CLR4ILS is (or was, not sure of current status) a flight instructor at Flight Safety"

Nor has he, as I understand it, moved on in his career beyond CFI. Couldn't make it on regional pay. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's also fair to point out that Lauchpad got his CFI and instructed at FSA and then moved on to Skywest. SkyWChris is a senior Capt and has done interviews at Skywest.
 
If you want to go to an academy, FSI is probably the way to go. It has been awhile since I checked, but the cost is about the same as the others, and they have several advantages.
1. Nice planes. Some are rather old (the Arrows used for Commercial SE and CFI) but they are all well maintained. And, they have a lot of them, so maintenance delays are usually not a problem.
2. Nice campus. If you are going to spend several years there, having decent facilities is a plus.
3. They pay their instructors a decent wage. When I was there I made $14 hr, and got full benefits (the insurance is very reasonable, at the time most of it was free if you were single, and even with my wife it was pretty cheap). However, like all flight schools, you only get paid if you are with a student, so if things are kind of slow, you can starve.
4. They don't lie to you. You will not see any ads guaranteeing you a job, and they will not try to swindle all of your money out of your bank account. If you want to leave, they give you your money without making you wait 30 days, or charging 'early withdraw' fees of several thousand dollars.
5. You get lots of multi-time. As an instructor, about half of the instruction is done in the Seminole.

There are also some disadvantages.
1. You might not get hired. No big supprise, but some times good people are not hired, and some that were not so good are. Go figure.
2. If you are hired, there is and endless stream of people who want to take your place and management knows it. I never saw anyone really get screwed, but sometimes the work environment was less than pleasant. You are there to be taken advantage of and to make them money.
3. It cost an insane amount of cash and after you leave, you will make crap wages at a regional for quite some time. If you have to borrow a significant amount of money, you will suffer for many years while you pay off your massive loan. A wife is helpful here (ignore looks and personality, wealth is the sole criteria).

It should be noted that the airlines are not the only way to go. FSI is probably best known in the professional world for simulator training. Students have the option of going to paid internships in various learning centers where you can get training and sim time. If you want to go this route, I would recommend going the internship route after being an instructor. You will get typed after a year (sometimes sooner, it depends on what center you go to). Ideally you would have ATP minimums or be close before going to an internship. If you pick a reasonable aircraft, (mid-sized) you can get a job that pays about double what the typical regional FO makes after the internship. At many centers, you can work close to full time and get paid $14 hr, so even during your internship you will make more than a regional FO. Not a bad deal.
 
ananoman said:
2. If you are hired, there is and endless stream of people who want to take your place and management knows it. I never saw anyone really get screwed, but sometimes the work environment was less than pleasant. You are there to be taken advantage of and to make them money.

I have to disagree with this.....the place had a pretty supportive work environment and they never did lay anyone off when their student count dipped really low and each instructor had 1 or maybe 2 students (my couch sitting days). I personally am thankful to them for that...they didn't have to keep us on, but they did. All you have to do is make sure you do your job right, and no problems will arise. I spent a lot of time in the big cheese's offices and never got written up or reprimanded.......
 
"You are there to be taken advantage of and to make them money"

Sounds like good preparation for that airline job. They should have a special course for that along with CRM...
 
DE727UPS said:
"You are there to be taken advantage of and to make them money"

Sounds like good preparation for that airline job. They should have a special course for that along with CRM...

Sounds like most jobs that i've had. Just bring some astrogel and you'll be good to go.....no astrogel use ky, no ky, use vaseline, no vaseline, use hair grease, no hair grease, use motor oil, no motor oil, just enjoy the ride.....:bandit: :banghead:
 
DE727UPS said:
Nor has he, as I understand it, moved on in his career beyond CFI. Couldn't make it on regional pay. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Well, it really wasn't that my wife and I can't make it on regional pay. My wife will make over $200,000 this year so if I wanted to fly for $20K a year, I could. Alot of it has to do with selling my life to a hotel room and being away from my wife and daughter five out of seven days a week. When I started flying the little one wasn't in the picture yet and I really didn't put much thought into kids down the road. Not to mention the state of the industry the past few years. It really hasn't been all that appealing of a career lately.

Besides, I have done pretty well the past few years in mortgage and remodel flips. It paid off the student loans and put us plenty far ahead as far as net worth is concerned. Two years ago I had a NEGATIVE net worth...... I can breath now, and if I go fly, the crappy pay won't be an issue.


I will say though that the thought of jumping in the right seat of an RJ or Beech 19 does cross my mind pretty much daily. A quick refresher to get my instrument proficiency back up to speed and out the resume could go....

ILS
 
launchpad said:
I have to disagree with this.....the place had a pretty supportive work environment and they never did lay anyone off when their student count dipped really low and each instructor had 1 or maybe 2 students (my couch sitting days). I personally am thankful to them for that...they didn't have to keep us on, but they did. All you have to do is make sure you do your job right, and no problems will arise. I spent a lot of time in the big cheese's offices and never got written up or reprimanded.......
Look, compared to the typical FBO, FSA was a paradise, but things could have been so much better. After 9/11, when everyone who could find there rear end with both hands knew that it would be several years before things would recover, FSA ran 4 stan classes back to back. The last class really got screwed. Some of those guys worked an entire year and only got 200 dual given. The worst of it was that management acted like it was your only job. It was being like an indentured servant. I know this is probably not an issue now, but it was not a good time.

I still think that FSA is the best of the academies. Being part of FSI has it's advantages. They are very concerned with their integrity and will not try to screw some poor student out of their money. If you look at their advertising, you will notice that they do not promise or guarantee anything, other than good training. I know this cost them... there are many who go to RAA or DCA thinking that they will end up in the right seat, guranteed. But the sad fact is that no matter what school you go to, there are many students who go there who do not belong in an airplane. That is why is meaningless to guarantee with any certainty that all students will be interviewed, hired or whatever. If you go to FSI they will not play these games and try to screw you out of your money. Other than the high cost involved, there are no disadvantages to going there. If you do get hired, there are many positives. The pay, benefits, multi-time, and internship opportunities are all very real. But, I still say that the work environment was nothing like it is at the other centers.
 
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