Open Squawks

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mshunter

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I have been told not to fly with open squaks because it's breaking regs. The hing is, after searching through 43 an 91, I can't find anything that says you can't. Someone want to point me in the right direction, please.
 
mshunter said:
I have been told not to fly with open squaks because it's breaking regs. The hing is, after searching through 43 an 91, I can't find anything that says you can't. Someone want to point me in the right direction, please.
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The quick and dirty is... It's not illegal.

Now, if you have a squawk that a piece of equipment is inop, and said equipment has not be 91.213-ed....

Most of the time, however, in order to follow 91.213 you would need to have the squawk closed either by repairing or deferring.

Clear as mud?
 
At one of the FBO's I work at, an FAA inspector has told us specifically, that we can not fly an aircraft if it has an open squawk, even if a student wrotes it up for "missing screw."

One example I can think of recently is an airplane at "brand X" recently had the starter and flywheel replaced because it sheered the teeth of the starter during engine start. It had been fixed, I watched the guy fix it. But the squawk had not been signed off. Same airplane had 3 squawks in one write up, but only one repair listed.

What I am looking for is an AC or reg that talks about squawks. I need to have something in hand to show the boss so that squawks actually get fixed at "brand X."
 
mshunter said:
One example I can think of recently is an airplane at "brand X" recently had the starter and flywheel replaced because it sheered the teeth of the starter during engine start. It had been fixed, I watched the guy fix it. But the squawk had not been signed off. Same airplane had 3 squawks in one write up, but only one repair listed. "
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Gotcha. With the starter deal, had the mechanic made the entry in the logbook? Because if not, flying it is no bueno.
 
Roger said:
Gotcha. With the starter deal, had the mechanic made the entry in the logbook? Because if not, flying it is no bueno.
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I understand that part of it. If maint. is done, it has to be recorded. But my concern is flying an airplane with an open squawk. I am not talking about the maint. records. I am talking about a squawk sheet.

For example, lets say said airplane has a broken TC, no flag, no motor spinning up to speed, and wings stay level the whole time. It's been written up, and I go fly it, with out it being defered. I am in violation of something, but I can't remember what exactly, and can't find it either (the reg). ut I think I may have found the answer with my last post. Lemme dig into the regs again. Something about "placarding inop and de-activating" comes to mind.
 
mshunter said:
I understand that part of it. If maint. is done, it has to be recorded. But my concern is flying an airplane with an open squawk. I am not talking about the maint. records. I am talking about a squawk sheet.

For example, lets say said airplane has a broken TC, no flag, no motor spinning up to speed, and wings stay level the whole time. It's been written up, and I go fly it, with out it being defered. I am in violation of something, but I can't remember what exactly, and can't find it either (the reg). ut I think I may have found the answer with my last post. Lemme dig into the regs again. Something about "placarding inop and de-activating" comes to mind.
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91.213 (d). Probably the number one most misunderstood regulation I encountered with my students.

For a good explanation of it, see, AC 91.67 page 8.
 
Even the small things (ie screws) should to be fixed because without it the aircraft no longer conforms to the type certificate data sheet.... I think thats what its called, been a while since my CFI days. If not you could, in theory, be busted for flying a plane without a proper weight and balance done since it is missing a screw. 91.213(d) has all of your answers
 
ajf005 said:
you could, in theory, be busted for flying a plane without a proper weight and balance done since it is missing a screw.
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"removed access panel screw. change to weight and balance negligible."

We don't do weight and balance for every little screw we remove or sheet metal patch we make.
 
Roger said:
91.213 (d). Probably the number one most misunderstood regulation I encountered with my students.

For a good explanation of it, see, AC 91.67 page 8.
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OMG! DUH!:drool::o And I'm supposed to teach this stuff. And, AND I have tought this stuff. I can't belive I read that and it didn't stick out like a fist full of sore thumbs. I think it was because I was looking for the word "open squawk." I guess I need to read deeper than what it printed. Thanks, and, uh, let the biatch smacking commense:crazy:.
 
mshunter said:
OMG! DUH!:drool::o And I'm supposed to teach this stuff. And, AND I have tought this stuff. I can't belive I read that and it didn't stick out like a fist full of sore thumbs. I think it was because I was looking for the word "open squawk." I guess I need to read deeper than what it printed. Thanks, and, uh, let the biatch smacking commense:crazy:.
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No problem...

....I've eaten my share of humble pie the last few weeks going back to maintenance.

"Dur, how do you service a bearing again?"

"Wait do we need to fill out a 337 for that?"

"I know, I'm on my third try at this daggum safety wire..."
 
Here's an odd paragraph:

(1) A certificated pilot can accomplish
deactivation involving routine pilot tasks, such as
turning off a system. However, for a pilot to
deactivate an item or system, that task must
come under the definition of preventive
maintenance in FAR Part 43, Subpart A.
 
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