One step closer to "Open Skies"

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One step closer to \"Open Skies\"

China, U.S. sign air expansion deal



BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- China and the United States have signed a deal to increase by more than fourfold the number of commercial and cargo flights between the two countries, starting gradually from August.

The agreement between the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Civil Aviation Administration of China adds 14 new U.S. passenger flights a week this year and raises the total to 249 flights a week in six years from the current limit of 54.

United Airlines and Northwest Airlines each have been awarded a new daily flight under the new agreement, U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said on Saturday.

The deal was short of a so-called "open skies agreement", but could be expanded in two years, he said.

"There is an opener in the year 2006," he told reporters. "We'll see how all this plays out, and so 2006 sort of gives us a snapshot to be able to say 'ok, here's where we are now. What do we do for the balance of the agreement?'"

The agreement allowed Chinese carriers to expand flights to the United States along the same lines.

In August or September the U.S. Department of Transportation would designate a new cargo carrier to be allowed flights to and from China, Mineta said.

U.S. cargo carriers would be permitted to build hubs in China from 2007 and in doing so would be afforded "effectively open skies rights", said Karan Bhatia, U.S. assistant secretary of aviation and international affairs.

By the end of March, a new passenger carrier would be designated for flights to China, and both sides would be able to add either kind of flight in 2006, 2008 and 2010, Bhatia said.

The pact will permit carriers to fly to any city in the other country and unlimited code-sharing between U.S. and Chinese airlines. Previously U.S. carriers were restricted to flying to five Chinese cities and the Chinese could fly to 12 U.S. cities.

Mineta said he expected U.S. passenger carriers to jump at the chance to fly, or add routes, to China because international routes made more money than domestic.

"Because this is such a vast market and has been underplayed up to this point, there is just sort of a latent, pent-up demand," he said.

Northwest was given rights for a new flight from Detroit to Guangzhou, the first U.S.-carrier passenger service to that city, with a stopover in Tokyo. United will operate new non-stop service between Chicago and Shanghai.

The world's biggest airline, AMR Corp.'s American Airlines, is anxious to serve China and has said it would likely bid to offer service to Shanghai from its Chicago hub.

Flag carrier Air China, China Eastern Airlines Ltd. and China Southern Airlines Ltd. already fly to the United States.

Hainan Air, the regional carrier part-owned by global financier George Soros, has expressed an interest in flying beyond China's borders, including to the United States.








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Re: One step closer to \"Open Skies\"

This COULD open the door to cabotage, but as it reads now, it just expands on the bilateral agreement already in place. There's no city-to-city flying by foreign airlines in either country in the agreement.....yet.
 
Re: One step closer to \"Open Skies\"

So is Mesa gonna start facing competition from China Airlines Express 1900s flying EAS routes in the US? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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So is Mesa gonna start facing competition from China Airlines Express 1900s flying EAS routes in the US?

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Well that's my hope, because I want to do whatever I possibly can to try to make the GDP of this country better while keeping the lower...erm...middle class down. As long as I'm helping out the bottom line, I'm there!

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Re: One step closer to \"Open Skies\"

Naw. The Chinese fly the Yak42. For heat, you can build a little fire in the asile and, in first class, they even have seat belts. Pilots are mostly PFTer's from Gulfstream who thought it would be a step up to actually get paid for a job. They thought 5000 yen an hour was pretty good, but it turns out it's only $3.50 US.
 
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This COULD open the door to cabotage, but as it reads now, it just expands on the bilateral agreement already in place. There's no city-to-city flying by foreign airlines in either country in the agreement.....yet.

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What is cabotage?
 
Re: One step closer to \"Open Skies\"

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What is cabotage?

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It's a light green leafy plant that is some times boiled with corn beef......

But that's not important right now.

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Re: One step closer to \"Open Skies\"

Be verrry cwareful no mixy uppy Air China and China Airlines.
Which one has the call-sign Dynasty (or should it be Die Nasty) - is that the one that crashed a 747 into a mountain?

Actually most of the Chinese airlines have modern planes. Although there are the odd Russian or Chinese copies of Russian planes around, they are few and far between.

As to the standard of maintenance and competance of the crews, well just look at the accident history for Chinese airlines - not good in my opinion. I think it was an Air China 747 that got onto an ORD runway when a Korean 747 was taking-off. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif

Good to know that there'll be options to fly to China with more Western carriers. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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What is cabotage?

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It's a light green leafy plant that is some times boiled with corn beef......

But that's not important right now.

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...............words fail me............but funny as hell! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Re: One step closer to \"Open Skies\"

China Airlines is 'Dynasty". They have Cargo flights into Nashville now....trippy, huh?
 
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Be verrry cwareful no mixy uppy Air China and China Airlines.

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Air China sucks, China Airlines is good. So is Eva Air.

Wanna guess whether my roots are on the east or west side of the two Chinas? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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What is cabotage?

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Well, sense the smart@sses failed to give a straight up answer, I guess I'll do it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cabotage is when a foreign airline operates a route having a departure and arrival point in another country. For example, if Virgin Atlantic operated a 747-400 from JFK to LAX, that would be cabotage.
 
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