Old story, new news. RIP Scouts.

Its a sad point for Army aviation. The 58 has been a staple for the force for almost 45 years. It's like getting rid of the Buff.
 
Flew the 58A/C. A lot of fun. It was sad to see the number at Shell be reduced every new day.

As for mission set, dumb move to get rid of an extremely cheap heavily used asset.

The most valuable tool on the battlefield is the eyeball, and we're getting rid of it. Dumb.
 
Ditto, was at Rucker flying it in early 90s. Loved that platform. Never got a chance to fly the delta though.

"Scouts out" has taken on a new meaning.
 
My wife was one of the first female OH-58D drivers and the first female OH-58D cav troop commander.
Sad to see it go. The AH-64, while a capable platform, is not the same mission. There is a reason OH-58D's were flying about 120 hours/airframe/month in Iraq. Does not sound like much to a FW driver, but for RW that is exhausting for the pilots and airframes.

Also, while I see the point of giving the Guard an airframe they can use in peacetime such as the UH-60 I think some may be forgetting the reason Gen Abrams restructured the Army Reserves/Guard in the wake of the Viet Nam war. He wanted to make sure that the United States would never again be involved in a major war without the full mobilization of the people behind the war, and integrating the Guard/Reserves in the active duty force was his solution. Want to send troops overseas for a war? Good luck without the Guard/Reserves as he restructured the Army so that sustained combat operations could not be done without them.
 
Ahh. I hadn't heard that. Since Strom and Jesse are gone, I imagine the Carolinas will loose theirs. MO doesn't have pull, although Claire is getting traction. I'd bet FL and TX were safe, but that's just because I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

At one time, there was a net loss of over 100 airframes from the RC with the 64/60 swap. Does this new plan reduce the difference or is the number of 60s also getting reduced. Regardless, this is a big loss for the RC. I don't think there are as many support MOSs for utility units. Also, the min flight hours for utility are much lower than attack. For some reason, the numbers that stuck in my head are 24 AFTPs utility (96 hrs) vs 48 AFTPs (140 hrs) for attack.

Time will tell.
 
deadstick said:
Ahh. I hadn't heard that. Since Strom and Jesse are gone, I imagine the Carolinas will loose theirs. MO doesn't have pull, although Claire is getting traction. I'd bet FL and TX were safe, but that's just because I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

At one time, there was a net loss of over 100 airframes from the RC with the 64/60 swap. Does this new plan reduce the difference or is the number of 60s also getting reduced. Regardless, this is a big loss for the RC. I don't think there are as many support MOSs for utility units. Also, the min flight hours for utility are much lower than attack. For some reason, the numbers that stuck in my head are 24 AFTPs utility (96 hrs) vs 48 AFTPs (140 hrs) for attack.

Time will tell.
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FAC 1 semi annual mins for the Apache is 70 hours, 48 for the 60 and 45 for the 47.

Max AFTPS per year for any rated aviator is 72, though those are probably reduced these days in most states.
 
I know Carolina was pushing hard to keep them as well as Idaho. It was awesome to see them flying over the desert in Slc.
 
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