100% spot on.! That’s where the hangars were
I do love Hal Holbrook‘a speech in the movie to the astronauts on the reason why the whole faked landing was being done. (It’s in English)
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100% spot on.! That’s where the hangars were
I do love Hal Holbrook‘a speech in the movie to the astronauts on the reason why the whole faked landing was being done. (It’s in English)
that was a great stunt done with the Lacy Lear 24. The mainmount that hit the car, wasn’t that piece on the ground in that shot?
also would’ve been cool to have seen the jet placed on the desert floor after it’s “gear up” landing
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
The fold-up chairs, fold-up tables, and fiber-board walls are a nice piece of authentic Governmentalia. But I particularly liked the liberal application of ashtrays. What do you need for a room? "Walls", somewhere to sit, something to put things on, and some way to smoke.
nibake
Powder hound
It’s in FAR Part 25 for transport category aircraft. 25.337 has “except that n may not be less than 2.5”.
14 CFR § 25.337 - Limit maneuvering load factors.
www.law.cornell.edu
I’m not sure where the 2.0 g flaps down lives but I bet it gets it’s own section somewhere.
Sorry this is as bad as citing the TERPS but I think the origins of airworthiness certification is kind of cool.
Not at all bad. I imagined there would be a minimum standard in there but didn't want to go looking for it.
the 70s was a great time!
knot4u
Repeat Offender
I can't answer all of anyones questions with any veracity, all I can do is relate what was told to me by people that were there. I recall being told they didn't anticipate the car rolling but apparently the timing of when the strut was pushed out of the door (by a mechanic who'd accompanied the jet) was perfect and it totaled the car. I was told these stories long before the internet was prevalent and I'm sure embellishments were part of the story.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Hot dang. Looks like multiple EGPWS got them to recover.
US NTSB cites United crew failure in Boeing 777 altitude loss incident By Reuters
US NTSB cites United crew failure in Boeing 777 altitude loss incident
m.investing.com
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Yikes
“When the airplane reached the acceleration altitude, the captain reduced the pitch attitude slightly and called for the flap setting to be reduced to flaps 5,” the NTSB said in its report. “According to the first officer, he thought that he heard the captain announce flaps 15.”
The report says the captain, who was flying the airplane at an altitude of 2,100 feet (640 meters), became concerned about damaging the still-extended flaps and started descending and decelerating until cockpit alarms sounded.
‘Pull up pull up’
“Both pilots recalled hearing the initial warnings from the ground proximity warning system (GPWS), and the first officer recalled announcing ‘pull up pull up’ along with those initial GPWS warnings,” the NTSB report said.
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
It goes 20 to 5. Flaps 15 isn't in the extension profile either. We use it when we need the extra drag to get down.
Obviously that's our procedure, maybe United does it differently.
///AMG
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Thanks! Yeah I figured the CA was probably calling for the correct thing
Edit: Sounds like combination of night/IMC and bad turbulence, and kinda going to "general quarters" when they thought they were gonna overspeed the flaps?
BEEF SUPREME
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I imagine the big power reduction to not damage flaps would have resulted in a big pitch change.
I don’t know anything about the 777 but I’m guessing that it has the same pitch/power change dynamic as the 737. I’m guessing it’s more severe…
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ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
It actually does power changes really well. It doesn't have the giant nose up pitch when you add power. In a stall we're taught to firewall it in one of the initial steps.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I mean, a momentary flap overspeed is always better than a drink in the ocean…
BEEF SUPREME
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
Since I am bored waiting for my gift, I looked it up. With the flight controls in normal mode the FBW will react to thrust changes to minimize control inputs. However it doesn't compensate for speed changes.
That's the one thing I don't like at our shop. The PM just actuates flaps and gear silently without any kind of readback. Don't know if the United SOP is silent like ours, but a simple readback would have trapped the error.
"Flaps 5"..."15 selected"..."Negative Flaps 5 please".
That said if it's anything like a 767 there's never a reason to go from 20 to 15 in normal ops. It's bizarre enough that a sharp PM would be prompted to double check if he/she heard right with a simple "I'm sorry did you say Flaps 15?". Or even just "say again please?".
"Flaps 5"..."15 selected"..."Negative Flaps 5 please".
That said if it's anything like a 767 there's never a reason to go from 20 to 15 in normal ops. It's bizarre enough that a sharp PM would be prompted to double check if he/she heard right with a simple "I'm sorry did you say Flaps 15?". Or even just "say again please?".