Oh, American...

Kingairer said:
Yeah I just listened to it and probably right, I was only able to read transcript before. However it’s just not old guys who are angry on the radio. Some millineums (sic) are so hopped up on social media outrage that it bleeds over, so don’t assume it’s just a bunch of angry captains out there!
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I'm willing to bet a shortrib or chicken and rice dinner this was the Captain keying up the mic. I see it all the time: "Can you call ops and ask them to send catering back?" 27 seconds elapse after I call and said Captain keys mic "We need our catering now or we're not departing!" Repeat and rinse on ramp or ATC frequencies. You know it's gettin' real when the Captain starts talking on the radio on the ground.
 
EDUC8-or said:
I'm willing to bet a shortrib or chicken and rice dinner this was the Captain keying up the mic. I see it all the time: "Can you call ops and ask them to send catering back?" 27 seconds elapse after I call and said Captain keys mic "We need our catering now or we're not departing!" Repeat and rinse on ramp or ATC frequencies. You know it's gettin' real when the Captain starts talking on the radio on the ground.
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I agree. If the FO is an ass on the radio, their supervisor is sitting right next to them, so I think most FOs behave. Captains are a little more unsupervised, so I’d say it’s a good rule of thumb that if someone’s showing their ass, it’s usually a captain.
 
EDUC8-or said:
I'm willing to bet a shortrib or chicken and rice dinner this was the Captain keying up the mic. I see it all the time: "Can you call ops and ask them to send catering back?" 27 seconds elapse after I call and said Captain keys mic "We need our catering now or we're not departing!" Repeat and rinse on ramp or ATC frequencies. You know it's gettin' real when the Captain starts talking on the radio on the ground.
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This. Not to mention as an FO I am a team player. If captain needs something to be communicated and I’m PM imma key it up. With one exception… if what you’re asking for makes me look like an ass. “No, Captain, I ain’t doing that. You’re going to fly that one solo chief”.

I’d imagine this is a possibility in this situation. Though really I’d bet money the captain was just sitting there stewing and transmitted on his own.
 
EDUC8-or said:
I'm willing to bet a shortrib or chicken and rice dinner this was the Captain keying up the mic. I see it all the time: "Can you call ops and ask them to send catering back?" 27 seconds elapse after I call and said Captain keys mic "We need our catering now or we're not departing!" Repeat and rinse on ramp or ATC frequencies. You know it's gettin' real when the Captain starts talking on the radio on the ground.
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I've flown with a variant of this where he asks me to call Ops/ATC/FA and in the *three seconds* it takes me to acknowledge and reach for the transmit button he goes and makes the transmission he just asked me to make....
 
BobDDuck said:
In just under 5 years in the left seat, I had one FO I had to tell to stop talking on the radio.

In the past 10 years of being an FO again, I've had more than I can count Captains who should have stopped talking on the radio.
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Sure. Sure. But at 'Murican, doesn't the CA always do the talking part?? Or is that Delta? A proper airline knows FOs don't know how to speak. Isn't that why they hire them?? IDK, not my department.
 
BobDDuck said:
Neither.

(probably should go read up on PA and Radio)
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Oh, so policies have changed - in addition to standards - due to the Millennial Tsunami and really lousy demographic math on the part of management? I stand corrected!
 
form810 said:
Oh, so policies have changed - in addition to standards - due to the Millennial Tsunami and really lousy demographic math on the part of management? I stand corrected!
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"Radio" is something you talk on to people outside the aircraft and is an object that FOs have been allowed to use at pretty much every carrier since the dedicated radio operator left cockpits.

"PA" is something you use to talk to the people in the cabin. It is something that at some carriers the captain is responsible for using, while at other places both the captain and the FO use depending on what is happening.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
 
BobDDuck said:
"Radio" is something you talk on to people outside the aircraft and is an object that FOs have been allowed to use at pretty much every carrier since the dedicated radio operator left cockpits.

"PA" is something you use to talk to the people in the cabin. It is something that at some carriers the captain is responsible for using, while at other places both the captain and the FO use depending on what is happening.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
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Ooooooh. Sick burn bro. Love it.
 
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