Oh Alaskan..

Minuteman said:
Nooo. No. That's just some • Janeway said, probably to justify some new horrific "command decision."
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Okay, you’re right. The Second-Worst-Commanded Ship in the Delta Quadrant encountered some Ferengi marooned out there, and that was their saying, not necessarily that of the FCA.

Still, the FCA promulgated Rule 111–“Treat people in your debt like family… exploit them.”
 
ppragman said:
I rewatched TNG, watched DS9, and rewatched Voyager this year.

Voyager is the worst, change my mind.
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Said it before, say it again—Unless Starfleet really has a habit of promoting their problem children away from the Captain's chair (itself marginally plausible considering some of the Admiralty we encounter and no I don't mean Paris, Sr.), upon return to the Alpha Quadrant and a cursory inspection of USS VOYAGER's logs, Captain Janeway would have suddenly "retired" and written her book rather than be promoted.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Said it before, say it again—Unless Starfleet really has a habit of promoting their problem children away from the Captain's chair (itself marginally plausible considering some of the Admiralty we encounter and no I don't mean Paris, Sr.), upon return to the Alpha Quadrant and a cursory inspection of USS VOYAGER's logs, Captain Janeway would have suddenly "retired" and written her book rather than be promoted.
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Admiral Paris brings a phaser into the debriefing room, sets it to disintegrate and leaves it on the table. “You know what to do Kathryn.”
 
ppragman said:
Admiral Paris brings a phaser into the debriefing room, sets it to disintegrate and leaves it on the table. “You know what to do Kathryn.”
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It's been posited that flag rank is a punishment. Viz:

In relevant part:
The problem, of course, is that Starfleet admirals are mostly a lousy bunch. Now we understand why: half of them are known troublemakers who only became admirals to try to keep them out of trouble! It might make sense with just a couple of hotheads, but after more than a century of using promotion to admiral as punishment, Starfleet Command doesn't have enough good ones to keep the bad ones from making huge messes. If the events of Star Trek: Insurrection had occurred 10 years later than they did, I guarantee it would have been Admiral Janeway forging questionable alliances with the Son'a and justifying the forced relocation of the Ba'ku, instead of Admiral Dougherty.
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I haven’t read all the thread and don’t know where the consensus lies, but I think this is a dick move by the pilot. Back when we were all fighting for vaccines slots as they came available, sure, whenever it was available I was taking it regardless of if I had a trip or not. But that’s not the case now and he/she was aware of what they were doing and pretty selfish IMO.
 
ppragman said:
I rewatched TNG, watched DS9, and rewatched Voyager this year.

Voyager is the worst, change my mind.
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I have a soft spot for voyager since UPN 50 was one of the channels our bunny ears TV could pick up in my room at the time. I’ve finally watched a significant chunk of DS9 and it’s fantastic, however it’s characters don’t resonate with me as much. On the flip side, it doesn’t have characters that I hate either. Whereas Kes and Belanna and sometimes Harry are just annoying.

TNG is the original Star Trek to me. The original series is …….eh…..a product of its time that I’m grateful for due to what it spawned.
 
Voyager is my favorite Star Trek, though DS9 is a close second. I grew up on TNG, and still love it, but oddly, I don't have much love for any of the characters from it except Data. (The reactions of the crew to "Ode to Spot" are a great example of why.) Picard's pretty chill. And there's Q.

That said, I have trouble figuring out why people pick and choose so oddly when it comes to the show. There isn't a single pure episode across any series of the show where something isn't compromised for plot. I seem to recall Sisko and Picard both doing some fairly questionable things, and ... well, do I need to say anything about Kirk? Any ideological purity that exists is compromised for the plot across any series, on any number of occasions. I mean, I seem to recall the universally-loved Sisko
participating in manufacturing evidence and being party to assassination of a Romulan diplomat, simply to bring the Romulan empire into the war against the Dominion.

Honestly, seeking ideological consistency or a consistent philosophy from a television show—any television show—is likely a mistake.

Enjoy it and move on.
 
Acrofox said:
Voyager is my favorite Star Trek, though DS9 is a close second. I grew up on TNG, and still love it, but oddly, I don't have much love for any of the characters from it except Data. (The reactions of the crew to "Ode to Spot" are a great example of why.) Picard's pretty chill. And there's Q.

That said, I have trouble figuring out why people pick and choose so oddly when it comes to the show. There isn't a single pure episode across any series of the show where something isn't compromised for plot. I seem to recall Sisko and Picard both doing some fairly questionable things, and ... well, do I need to say anything about Kirk? Any ideological purity that exists is compromised for the plot across any series, on any number of occasions. I mean, I seem to recall the universally-loved Sisko
participating in manufacturing evidence and being party to assassination of a Romulan diplomat, simply to bring the Romulan empire into the war against the Dominion.

Honestly, seeking ideological consistency or a consistent philosophy from a television show—any television show—is likely a mistake.

Enjoy it and move on.
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DS9 went out of its way to make an entire episode (and one of its best) pointing out that ideological purity is entirely a position of comfortable isolation from actual reality. Sisko not only violates the tenants he’s supposed to be protecting, he learns to live with it. The only other character I can see so clearly identify with the fact that the purist utopia is a fantasy construct for only special groups of people is the Operative in Serenity. “There is no place for me there.”

In many ways it’s the only time we see the fantasy of utopian collectivism that is the federation and specifically Earth society bump up against the reality of every time collectivism has been tried and through human participation corrupted when it is done in mass scale (Soviet Communism, China, Etc). Somebody gets to enjoy it… for the rest of us it’s work or gulag…

Voyager and TNG don’t even come close to examining the fact that their setting society is impossibly conflicted from its ideals with what it actually does on a day to day basis.


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Acrofox said:
Voyager is my favorite Star Trek, though DS9 is a close second. I grew up on TNG, and still love it, but oddly, I don't have much love for any of the characters from it except Data. (The reactions of the crew to "Ode to Spot" are a great example of why.) Picard's pretty chill. And there's Q.

That said, I have trouble figuring out why people pick and choose so oddly when it comes to the show. There isn't a single pure episode across any series of the show where something isn't compromised for plot. I seem to recall Sisko and Picard both doing some fairly questionable things, and ... well, do I need to say anything about Kirk? Any ideological purity that exists is compromised for the plot across any series, on any number of occasions. I mean, I seem to recall the universally-loved Sisko
participating in manufacturing evidence and being party to assassination of a Romulan diplomat, simply to bring the Romulan empire into the war against the Dominion.

Honestly, seeking ideological consistency or a consistent philosophy from a television show—any television show—is likely a mistake.

Enjoy it and move on.
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Q's best performance to date has been as Discord in My Little Pony.
 
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