Oh Alaskan..

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Most of the internal emails at work have the non-disclosure statement plus the company policy explicitly forbids it except for a handful of situations.

Maybe it wouldn’t hold up in court but there are man, there are more efficient ways to spend time and money! Ha!

Policy can’t overrule federal law. This is just like companies who post notices saying that employees can’t discuss their wages. Sorry, can’t do it. Employees have the right to talk about anything if it can be considered organized behavior to collectively improve working conditions. His exposing of the email was clearly in furtherance of exposing how anti-labor Alaska management is. It’s clearly protected speech, policy or not.

 

[azmedic]

People at my last airline had a problem with the “reply all” button. Made some some awkward situations


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[DE727UPS]

I discovered that the half of the LAX CPO were college kids that were on JC before they got their start so I’m already hosed in that department. Ha!

If that's true then this site is a complete failure. Perhaps we educated the enemies of our cause on how to defeat us. To me, it's the line guy we should be supporting. Management will always look for a way to attack the line guy and the attack the contract to increase shareholder value. It's their job. So, I'll say this. I'm friends with the ALPA rep at AS. I think he speaks the truth.

 

[derg]

They do a pretty good job. The style is different at SouthernJets, they mostly stay out of your way and help you solve issues.

Probably the only three times I’ve had interaction other that “I need something” was when I needed help sanitizing JC because of the whole ”Queen of Sky“ debacle when her followers kept reporting me to corporate and they went to bat for me, another time during the Shawn Raker/Delta Connection Academy fiasco where they, again, went to bat for me against both and when they stepped in between a lunatic FAA ASI that wanted to violate our crew for mask usage enroute to TXL.

All in all, they stay out of your way, are helpful and I have no reason to have a baseline ”automatic animosity“.

 

[BobDDuck]

People at my last airline had a problem with the “reply all” button. Made some some awkward situations


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We just had an issue where somebody put in Pilots-All in a reply (and actually had the ability to use it) while discussing somebody not doing well in OE.

 

[ASpilot2be]

We just had an issue where somebody put in Pilots-All in a reply (and actually had the ability to use it) while discussing somebody not doing well in OE.

Awkward!

 

[ShortField]

People at my last airline had a problem with the “reply all” button. Made some some awkward situations


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Invariably there is the jackass that hits reply all and then.....wait for it.....types “stop hitting reply al!” It’s delicious.

 

[azmedic]

Invariably there is the jackass that hits reply all and then.....wait for it.....types “stop hitting reply al!” It’s delicious.

The e-version of “yerrrr on guaaard”


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[Autothrust Blue]

If that's true then this site is a complete failure. Perhaps we educated the enemies of our cause on how to defeat us. To me, it's the line guy we should be supporting. Management will always look for a way to attack the line guy and the attack the contract to increase shareholder value. It's their job. So, I'll say this. I'm friends with the ALPA rep at AS. I think he speaks the truth.

Yeah, that’s what has me a little flummoxed reading this thread.

 

[killbilly]

Nothing at stake here, but I'll share something I've learned in 25 years of corporate life that you guys can forward on at will.

Whenever sending an email (or speaking at a meeting) I have a filter that I run with. Think of it as corporate ADM:

"Does this need to be said?"
"Does this need to be said right now?"
"Does this need to be said right now by me?"

If the answer to any of those is "no" then the idea is filed away for future use.

I've stayed out of trouble for years with that advice.

 

[jtrain609]

Nothing at stake here, but I'll share something I've learned in 25 years of corporate life that you guys can forward on at will.

Whenever sending an email (or speaking at a meeting) I have a filter that I run with. Think of it as corporate ADM:

"Does this need to be said?"
"Does this need to be said right now?"
"Does this need to be said right now by me?"

If the answer to any of those is "no" then the idea is filed away for future use.

I've stayed out of trouble for years with that advice.

So, I might be showing my age here, but this e-mail might fulfill all of these requirements.

Whether folks like what this chief pilot said or not, she didn't threaten discipline. If anything, she was telling one of her colleagues that he was being a buddy •er, and that he should reconsider doing so in the future because it's rude.

In the world I grew up in, this was a laudable goal. And in the grand scheme of things a supervisor can do to an employee where is concerns violating terms of employment, this is pretty benign.

But let's step through this:

Does this need to be said? Yes, the pilot who did this is screwing his bros.

Does this need to be said right now? Yes, without a timely reply, the issue is lost.

Does this need to be said right now by me? Yes, the person sending the e-mail is their supervisor and has a requirement to counsel those who fall under their supervisory structure. If anything, this is a friendly warning by a colleague to stop • around before they find out.

It always blows my mind that pilots act like children, and then are surprised when they get treated like children. Any rational adult could see this kind of response as being a likely outcome. What's worse is that any rational adult would give their supervisor a heads up that this was, in fact, the only appointment they could get and that they're not acting maliciously.

In the end, I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I can't stand buddy •ers. They're commonly bad pilots, and even worse people. Whatever ills they invite upon themselves always seems to be well deserved in retrospect.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

That email didn't need to be sent, period. Expressing disappointment isn't really a proper use of email and shows a lack of leadership skills.

 

[///AMG]

"Does this need to be said?"
"Does this need to be said right now?"
"Does this need to be said right now by me?"

I think this is especially true in meetings, as you said. Some people would be very well served to follow this advice. And meetings would go so much more quickly

 

[bp]

they're on reserve, it's not like they had flying get dropped into open time, so are they really "buddy f*ing" or is scheduling just going to be down a number? pony up and pay for more coverage?
if they wanted pilots to not get vaccinated over the holiday then maybe the company should have negotiated that.

 

[derg]

We just had an issue where somebody put in Pilots-All in a reply (and actually had the ability to use it) while discussing somebody not doing well in OE.

Ooooooooooooo. That’s not good. We have a few ‘standards and practices’ on how to communicate certain information in our group so we can avoid that situation.

 

[killbilly]

That email didn't need to be sent, period. Expressing disappointment isn't really a proper use of email and shows a lack of leadership skills.

So, I might be showing my age here, but this e-mail might fulfill all of these requirements.

Whether folks like what this chief pilot said or not, she didn't threaten discipline. If anything, she was telling one of her colleagues that he was being a buddy •er, and that he should reconsider doing so in the future because it's rude.

In the world I grew up in, this was a laudable goal. And in the grand scheme of things a supervisor can do to an employee where is concerns violating terms of employment, this is pretty benign.

But let's step through this:

Does this need to be said? Yes, the pilot who did this is screwing his bros.

Does this need to be said right now? Yes, without a timely reply, the issue is lost.

Does this need to be said right now by me? Yes, the person sending the e-mail is their supervisor and has a requirement to counsel those who fall under their supervisory structure. If anything, this is a friendly warning by a colleague to stop • around before they find out.

It always blows my mind that pilots act like children, and then are surprised when they get treated like children. Any rational adult could see this kind of response as being a likely outcome. What's worse is that any rational adult would give their supervisor a heads up that this was, in fact, the only appointment they could get and that they're not acting maliciously.

In the end, I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I can't stand buddy •ers. They're commonly bad pilots, and even worse people. Whatever ills they invite upon themselves always seems to be well deserved in retrospect.

I don't think you're wrong...my comment was more about the larger context of tone-deaf communications in the workplace.

That email didn't need to be sent, period. Expressing disappointment isn't really a proper use of email and shows a lack of leadership skills.

Eh, I'm not sure in a leadership position that I would have approached this with email either, but I can understand why it was used. I just think it's a poor modality for the particular issue at hand. HOWEVER - I am not a 121 pilot, nor am I privvy to standards of corporate communication or culture in that organization, so it may very well be ops-normal to handle this kind of situation/communication that way.

 

[Wardogg]

they're on reserve, it's not like they had flying get dropped into open time, so are they really "buddy f*ing" or is scheduling just going to be down a number? pony up and pay for more coverage?
if they wanted pilots to not get vaccinated over the holiday then maybe the company should have negotiated that.

Exactly. Who is he screwing over? The guys below him on the seniority list? Isnt that was a seniority list is for? It seems like everytime I was on one I was always getting screwed over by those above me.
C'est la vie.

I am amazed anyone is sticking up for this email.

 

[bp]

Exactly. Who is he screwing over? The guys below him on the seniority list? Isnt that was a seniority list is for? It seems like everytime I was on one I was always getting screwed over by those above me.
C'est la vie.

I am amazed anyone is sticking up for this email.

We're only a "family" when it benefits the company, my furlough notice had my employee number above my name.
The only thing that kept me off the street was negotiating.
Perhaps if these days were so important to the operation the company should have offered something up, instead of trying to extract value outside the agreement by guilt tripping pilots for coloring between the lines in a totally obvious and easily foreseen fashion.

 

[Skåning]

Again, alaskan doesn’t have “holiday days” in the contract so a supervisor doesn’t really have a case for criticism getting a mandatory thing. Also there was plenty of opportunity for a proper MOU to be negotiated with the union and management declined.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Was his for a vaccine or a booster? The email seems to imply “vaccine to protect himself.”


If it was for an initial vaccine, guarantee you this could have been done months ago. IF this was the normal vax, how much you want to bet the medical and religious exemption went nowhere, and now forced the jab, if they were gonna stick him, he was gonna “stick it” to the company?



Pilots are the only group I know making multiple six figure incomes yet complete prima donas, woe-is-me. And many are what I call the “un aware” and some downright stupid.