Offshoot: FAA DUI Policy thread

Jbroz04 said:
butt how old are you because you really seem to lack the idea that people sometimes make mistakes? and do you hold a aviation job?

I ask because while I only work part time as a pilot I have run in numerous, I repeat numerous professional pilots who have minor run in with the laws in their past. Most simple teenage mistakes like underage drinking. Never stopped them from employment. Yet you want people to think any mark on your record will keep you from getting a job. That is far from true.

atpwannabe if no conviction was found you can have the arrest records seal. its simple and easy and will keep you from having to report this on job applications.
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I forgot to preface everything with the fact that, my then wife, and I lost our son on April 30th. The emblical cord got wrapped around his neck. We didn't get counseling or anything like that. Hindsight is 20/20 vision. I'm certain that may have in some way contributed to my "run-ins" with law enforcement by not dealing with the emotional instability that his death caused in not only my life as an individual, but in our lives as a couple.

As for having those records sealed, I will look into the matter on Monday. Thanks for the info Jbroz04. Btw, not a pilot....yet.



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butt said:
We strive to be good law-biding citizens.
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"We"? Somehow I just can't accept someone who has logged many hours in an airplane would think this way. Innocent until proven guilty, you're basically saying this doesn't exist.
 
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ChasenSFO said:
"We"? Somehow I just can't accept someone who has logged many hours in an airplane would think this way. Innocent until proven guilty, you're basically saying this doesn't exist.
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'Innocent until proven guilty' is the policy in the legal system. It has nothing to do with whether or not you get called for an interview.

Believe it or not...you can do things that will some day reflect poorly on yourself during the hiring process. And those things may or may not have to do with run-ins with the law. This isn't Happyville where everyone gets an equal chance to prove themselves no matter what they've done in the past. HR people are going through thousands of resumes at a time and have to make fast decisions. Typos, weird gaps in work history, having multiple serious run-ins with the law, are not things you are protected from being discriminated against.
 
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Doug Taylor said:
Correcto.
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Staying outside of the criminal justice system is the best advice. So, umm, try to keep your nose clean :)

Getting arrest records expunged when you were never charged is generally an easy thing to do. While it may complicate things like security clearances, it probably won't keep you from getting hired.

For what it is worth, a conviction is a million times worse than an arrest. You are always better off keeping your mouth shut, getting arrested, and letting a lawyer deal with later, innocent or not. (I'm not a lawyer, this isn't legal advice, blah blah) Here's some free advice that should prevent both: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

For what it is worth, my old roommate was a cop. You would be surprised what people get arrested for, some incredibly minor stuff. Outstanding warrants being the most common. Stuff like paying a parking ticket 2 days late.

Mistakes on your credit report will keep you from getting hired too. Hardly something you can prevent. I've lost a job because of this. The credit reporting agencies are slow to correct errors, HR departments act much more quickly. When the error is corrected, you aren't going to get your job back. Life ain't always fair.
 
You would be surprised what people get arrested for, some incredibly minor stuff.
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Yeah. I got arrested on 11/18 because the DMV asked for insurance verification for the my VIN number, and the insurance company employee clicked the wrong button and sent them the wrong VIN's info.

So, butt, where do I send my certificates? Obviously, my dumb luck is such that I am totally unfit to fly a 172. What was I thinking?
 
PFGiardino said:
Yeah. I got arrested on 11/18 because the DMV asked for insurance verification for the my VIN number, and the insurance company employee clicked the wrong button and sent them the wrong VIN's info.
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I remember, how did that turn out? Happened to me too - DMV fat-fingered the VIN, put in an Oh instead of a Zero. Fortunately I was never arrested for it. I guess I should send in my certificates too, I was just as guilty :)
 
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butt said:
It doesn't matter. All the major airlines have a policy that anyone with a criminal record does not get hired. End of story. Ever arrested = not fit to fly. Thats just the way it is.
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I really think you're just trolling with this sort of response...

Especially since you overlooked my previous post... wrongful arrest is real... it's out there. And it can happen if you get pulled over for a burned out tail light... are you seriously telling us you've never been pulled over and received a motor vehicle citation?
 
drunkenbeagle said:
I remember, how did that turn out?
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Got the car back after a week. Traveller's paid the $410 up front for the impound/tow. Fortunately, my dad was out of town for the week, so I just borrowed his car. Traveller's is also cooking up a letter so I can get the misdemeanor dropped.

I don't agree with the new DUI policy, by the way. I'm going to leave it at that until I have time to do more research on the topic. Until then, I think it's all gone way overboard.
 
PFGiardino said:
Yeah. I got arrested on 11/18 because the DMV asked for insurance verification for the my VIN number, and the insurance company employee clicked the wrong button and sent them the wrong VIN's info.

So, butt, where do I send my certificates? Obviously, my dumb luck is such that I am totally unfit to fly a 172. What was I thinking?
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Wow, that sucks dude.:drool:
 
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