NYT via Reuters: UAL + LCC 'deep' in Merger Talks

Richman said:
Cons:
Cold. Way cold. Colder than the depths of hades.
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I thought hades was hot? :) Either way, MSP is hell, and everything else is spot on. I hate having trips that go through there. Worse is when you DH in, park at G, and your flight leaves out of B. Scheduling calls you 10 minutes after you block in screaming "Where are you!??!" "Chill out. I'm only half way there. Oh, damn. Tram broke down. It's gonna be another half hour."

Minimum hassle airport, at least until FedEX decided to fly in the daytime.
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It's still fairly minimum hassle. I MUCH prefer DTW's ramp parking to MEM's "alley way" style. At least if you're late in DTW, you don't get held out there for an eternity waiting on outbounds. The other side is, if you're on-time and someone else is late, ramp has been known to hold people at the gate waiting for some slow taxiier to come from S3 off 18C all the way to spot 3 in the alley.

Cons:
Corkey's BBQ
You CAN get sick of BBQ after your 3rd month of TDY
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Yep. Lenny's is gettin' old, too. I'd kill for something other than BBQ or Lenny's. Arby's is outside security, and everything else wants your first born in exchange for a hamburger or slice of pizza. We've got a Popeye's now, but, meh. It's not all that.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Sorry, I was thinking about a different provision that USAPA is currently grieving, related to their belief that snap-backs are supposed to happen automatically as of last year. Disregard.
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They actually aren't grieving it. They are litigating it. And it isn't a snapback but rather an LOA that had a sunset clause which the company has decided to ignore. As much as I think most of the other stuff they are grieving/litigating isn't going to work out for them, this one has a pretty good chance of happening.
 
USAirways, as much as I fear that this might cost me a jumpseat from time to time, has become synonymous with "How NOT to do a merger"
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Quote from CNBC - America West and US Air merger is "the merger from Hell". :rolleyes:
 
adreamer said:
Quote from CNBC - America West and US Air merger is "the merger from Hell". :rolleyes:
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What are you talking about? You need to be sent to the re-education camp to get your thoughts correct, for you are mistaken.

Watch the propaganda video, comrade:

:sarcasm: :D

On a serious note, being from PHX, I remember every one of the old AWA commercials being shown in second half of the video below, and I LOVE the mosh-pit video at 6:00, which I had forgotten about.

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MikeD said:
On a serious note, being from PHX, I remember every one of the old AWA commercials being shown in second half of the video below, and I LOVE the mosh-pit video at 6:00, which I had forgotten about.

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Cold Stone Creamery, we're on board!
 
Baronman said:
Stolen Quote: "UAL and LCC would be like tying two rocks together and seeing if they can float."
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LOL. Could be true, but if they can get labor issues resolved (yeah, I know; Big if.) it's more probable that their synergy will allow them to more effectively compete in the modern marketplace.

The current problem in the industry is capacity is at such a level that competing airlines must undercut their prices to the point of marginal profitability. Reducing capacity allows prices to rise to a more profitable and, therefore, more sustainable level. Airlines going out of business, parking airplanes and consolidating operations through merger or code share (with a iresultant reduction of overlapping capacity) helps reduce competition and increase profits.
 
From a purely "business" standpoint, wouldn't ALPA be rooting for this merger (UAL/LCC) more than a merger between CAL/UAL? If CAL/UAL merge, they have no uptick in membership at all. If UAL/LCC merge, they retain UAL but also get to add the USAPA members as well (assuming that UALALPA and the America West pilots overwhelmingly vote in ALPA). So, is ALPA doing anything to foster this, or is ALPA in any way more excited about one merger than the other?
 
WacoFan said:
From a purely "business" standpoint, wouldn't ALPA be rooting for this merger (UAL/LCC) more than a merger between CAL/UAL? If CAL/UAL merge, they have no uptick in membership at all. If UAL/LCC merge, they retain UAL but also get to add the USAPA members as well (assuming that UALALPA and the America West pilots overwhelmingly vote in ALPA). So, is ALPA doing anything to foster this, or is ALPA in any way more excited about one merger than the other?
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Or, you could look at like this, the UAL/LCC merger will bring you more members in the short term, but then the eventual chapter 7 means that you lose all those members.:rolleyes:
 
Cptnchia said:
Or, you could look at like this, the UAL/LCC merger will bring you more members in the short term, but then the eventual chapter 7 means that you lose all those members.:rolleyes:
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True.

But, to extend that logic stream out further...CAL is relatively healthy. UAL is really sick. LCC is already gone (by way of USAPA...and sick as well). SO......

UAL/LCC gives you short-term gain, plus the dues for a couple years of the LCC guys. UAL/CAL you run the risk of losing both groups if UAL somehow brings their brand of incompetence to CAL. So...then you have lost much more. Less risky is for UAL/LCC to get together.
 
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