NWA pilots prefer pay cuts to job cuts
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At the airlines, furloughs take place in reverse senority order ! The whole 'senority list' thing is unlike what you find at most corporations. When you have a senority-list based system, the junior people are furloughed first. The company does not get to pick and choose who gets furloughed and who doesn't. The company comes up with a number of people to furlough, and those 'layoffs' come from the bottom of the list up.
To protect against 'seasonal employment', where the company boom-hires during the peak months, and then furloughs during the slow months, most contracts have furlough pay protections in them. So, just an example,if you're going to get furloughed, you get 3 months pay.
I'm not saying having people take a few months off with no pay is a bad thing, it isn't. But it must work with the senority system in place at all airlines!
To protect against 'seasonal employment', where the company boom-hires during the peak months, and then furloughs during the slow months, most contracts have furlough pay protections in them. So, just an example,if you're going to get furloughed, you get 3 months pay.
I'm not saying having people take a few months off with no pay is a bad thing, it isn't. But it must work with the senority system in place at all airlines!
tonyw
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On the other hand, there are certainly productivity enhancements available in the NWA contract.
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Such as? Want them to fly more hours? Fine, but seeing how you get a lot of them sitting around for hours waiting for their planes to come in, is that something that they can address or is it an issue that needs to be handled by the folks who put together the route schedule?
On the other hand, there are certainly productivity enhancements available in the NWA contract.
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Such as? Want them to fly more hours? Fine, but seeing how you get a lot of them sitting around for hours waiting for their planes to come in, is that something that they can address or is it an issue that needs to be handled by the folks who put together the route schedule?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Interesting, SWA just came out with the Freedom '04 plan. It's a voluntary resignation offer with a couple of different "buy out" options. Looks like this one just got dropped in my lap since I was leaving anyway. Coincidentally, my planned last day of work would be my effective resignation day through the plan. Now instead of just leaving SWA, looks like I get to take a year's worth of flight benefits and $2,000 with me.....
<thought I'd throw this onto this topic since it's darn close to a voluntary lay-off>
<thought I'd throw this onto this topic since it's darn close to a voluntary lay-off>
BushPilot
New Member
This is similar to where I work now for SBC. We just agreed on a tentative contract for 100,00 workers nationwide. We are pretty sure that after the contract is signed, the company is going to surplus a bunch of employees. Unlike the airlines, they can't furlough us, we are guaranteed a job, although that could be in operator services at $10 less an hour. Everything is done in inverse seniority, just like the airlines. It doesn't matter how good an employee you are.
Yeah you still have a job, but who wants to raise their hand every time you have to go to the bathroom.
Yeah you still have a job, but who wants to raise their hand every time you have to go to the bathroom.
ready2fly
Well-Known Member
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Stan it has to be done by seniority.
Airlines can not pick and choose which pilots to "lay off"
And since this is a voluntary lay off - there will have to be a union approved bidding process.
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Fine by me.
I merely was trying to relay how it worked in the example I gave. Having never been employed by an airline, I really don't have a clue how furloughs work.
However, sounds to me as though the kind of layoffs I'm talking about are not "voluntary", but "mandatory". Those involved would be informed of their layoff date and duration of same.
If it "has to be done by seniority" then so be it. The low time pilots go first, then on up the food chain until the layoffs have served their purpose.
IMHO, for it to work, EVERYBODY (from CEO's on down line) need to make some form of concession. It can't just be the work force.
But, we all know that'll never happen in the airline industry.
Stan it has to be done by seniority.
Airlines can not pick and choose which pilots to "lay off"
And since this is a voluntary lay off - there will have to be a union approved bidding process.
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Fine by me.
I merely was trying to relay how it worked in the example I gave. Having never been employed by an airline, I really don't have a clue how furloughs work.
However, sounds to me as though the kind of layoffs I'm talking about are not "voluntary", but "mandatory". Those involved would be informed of their layoff date and duration of same.
If it "has to be done by seniority" then so be it. The low time pilots go first, then on up the food chain until the layoffs have served their purpose.
IMHO, for it to work, EVERYBODY (from CEO's on down line) need to make some form of concession. It can't just be the work force.
But, we all know that'll never happen in the airline industry.